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re: list of college coaches that ranters prefer over miles
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:12 pm to The312
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:12 pm to The312
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the mere fact that Les Miles wins more games at LSU than some other coach at, for example, USF or Boise State is really irrelevant and doesn't necessarily prove that Miles is the "better" coach. LSU obviously has a much more fertile recruiting base, vastly better facilities, and a more storied traditional that either USF or Boise State.
That's all nice and everything, but the thing is...LM is 18-4 in the SEC since 2010 which happens to top the SEC in wins.
The SEC...you know, the deepest and most powerful college football conference in the game. We not talking "USF or Boise State", we talkin' Bama, Fla, Ga, Aub, and so on.
Explain that one. And please don't tell us that LSU has "vastly better facilities, and a more storied traditional" than all the SEC schools as well.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:15 am to Lonnie4LSU
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And please don't tell us that LSU has "vastly better facilities, and a more storied traditional" than all the SEC schools as well.
We have out talented most teams, and the ones we lost to just out coached us. We won't be able to survive on talent alone forever.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:43 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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That's all nice and everything, but the thing is...LM is 18-4 in the SEC since 2010 which happens to top the SEC in wins
You entirely missed the point. Let's recap: The OP compared Miles to replacement candidates from other conferences and less advantaged schools, then came to the conclusion that Miles was a "better coach" because he had a superior record over the same time period. That reasoning is inadequate. As I've pointed out three times, that metric would lead someone to conclude that DiNardo was a better coach than Saban in 1997. Ridiculous. The proper analysis is far more complex.
As to your point about the SEC, let's be honest. There are only a few teams in the conference that consistently matched LSU's depth and talent over the last five years. They are: Florida, UGA, and BAMA. Against those three schools, since 2008, Miles is something like 6-7. (By comparison, saban is something like 7-3 against the same set over the same period.) The rest of the SEC teams clearly have had less talent than LSU over the last half decade (Vandy, KY, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Tennessee) or have been erratic (SC, AU - Auburn was brilliant in 2010, but that season was sandwiched between 5-7, 8-5, 8-5, and this year's atrocity, they are hard to categorize).
In any event - at least up until he lost the top four players in the state last season - I have always regarded Miles as a marquee recruiter. If last year was an anomoly, I will continue to do so. He deserves credit for the talent level on the team. But by the same token, when he faces one of the big three, his record doesn't indicate a dominant X's and O's coach.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 1:48 pm
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