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re: Per 680thefan yesterday, Miles only over-rules the really "F'd up" play calls...
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:42 pm to whodidthat
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:42 pm to whodidthat
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All of the offensive coaches have input on which play is called when. Stud, Krags, Wilson, and Miles
We'll herein lies the clusterfrick.
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Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:51 pm to wahoocs
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I would be willing to bet that half of our delay of games and false starts occur on first down, even after a TO.
What are you talking about? The false starts have come from young players, what do you expect?. The dekay if games have gone down considerably since 2010 and dont recall any not called on purpose this year.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:55 pm to dgnx6
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The dekay if games have gone down considerably since 2010 and dont recall any not called on purpose this year.
OK, since you've obliged in answering a question I didn't ask, can you explain what happened in the two actual situations I mention?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:55 pm to Will2nd
sounds about right to me
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:55 pm to dgnx6
Delay of Game and Time Management issues have been greatly reduced since Crowton has been gone.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:19 pm to wahoocs
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This kind of shite is consistent, prevalent, and expected. And nothing to do with run, pass, or gameplan. It's attention to detail and game management. And when you see these kind of things repeat themselves over and over, I, personally, don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about what's going on elsewhere when it comes to preparation.
Does CLM screw up game and clock management decsions? Without a doubt. Is he the only one that does so? Nope, not even close. Is he the "worst" at it? Who knows. You would have to watch every play of every other teams games. Nobody does that. We focus in on our own team and our own coach and tend to not notice when other coaches make mistakes.
Pete Fiutak, who blogs over at Collegefootballnews.com has advocated for years that CFB coaches should hire "game management" experts for their staffs. Very few fans have a clue how chaotic a modern sideline is and how many things a HC has to think of and keep track of during a game. Taken in context, its not amazing that mistakes get made, what's amazing is that more mistakes aren't made!
Fiutak has a much more national perspective of coaches than we do, and he has noted over the last few years all the seemingly incredibly boneheaded decisions made by a long list of coaches, including Nick Saban who all our fans want to compare CLM to.
When you look back at the totality of a coaches career, very few of the wins and losses are determined by game/clock management decisions.
Games are won and lost by a HC, by things he does that fans never see. CLM makes his teams a winner before the ball is ever teed up. Thats why his record is what it is despite his struggles with game and clock management.
You really have to know football and coaching to grasp his greatness. This is the main reason why so many in our fan base don't understand what they have in CLM.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:35 pm to lsuexpert57
You down block on a stretch play? Wow you are an expert aren't you!
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:45 pm to tcoachmc
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You down block on a stretch play? Wow you are an expert aren't you!
Sorry, they were zone blocking. That long of a post and thats all you got? Happy now?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:48 pm to whodidthat
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All of the offensive coaches have input on which play is called when. Stud, Krags, Wilson, and Miles. The key is execution. Any play can be successful if executed right
Thank you. This is common knowledge. Any play can be successful if the PLAYERS execute it. Any play.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:50 pm to DJTigers
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We,re still going to have the same problem against bama, we will be way too predictable and satan will sniff it out. We have to mix it up, too many playmakers not enough plays.
Uh, outside of rb we are severely lacking playmakers outside of the has marks.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:55 pm to byubengalboy
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...we're not as good as we thought
No team can sustain losing 7 starters, including 3 Olineman, since the spring game. If we end the season at 10-2 it will be one of Les's best coaching jobs. I think some of the posters on TD aren't understanding what losing that many players does to your team. It has ripples throughout your team. Your depth takes a huge hit , your special teams take a major hit as well.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:29 pm to lsuexpert57
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Games are won and lost by a HC, by things he does that fans never see. CLM makes his teams a winner before the ball is ever teed up. Thats why his record is what it is despite his struggles with game and clock management.
I agree. I wouldn't advocate for any other head coach. Like him as a person, and he's definitely a grocery getter when it comes to kids that will play for him.
I would never accuse him of interfering or having any input on the defensive side of the ball. The one time during his tenure that we were unsure of who was in charge led to 4 games of more than 50 points by our opponent, and the pseudo-firing of our CO-coordinators.
Coach needs to dispense with his pride, stop trying to justify his 4 million dollar salary, and do what he does best, which doesn't involve anything but wearing headphones from kickoff to final gun. I don't mean this as an insult.
I love ball control, smash mouth, defensivie minded teams, and we have the keys to success prioritized very well. But, I don't want Coach Miles worrying about anything during a game. Whether he's directly or indirectly the reason, good decisions are not consistently forthcoming in some of the most inopportune times.
Sure, it happens to even Saban. His last game, we botched the clock. JR spikes with :50 left against Iowa inside the 5 yard line. We score on next play, and the rest is history. If we had just run our offense from there, the clock wasn't a factor. Jimbo took the rap for that one.
I don't recall Miles ever accepting blame for any of his long history of blunders. He always says, "there certainly was a want to get a TO there", etc. The perception is that CLM is not in charge, and the reality is running a close race with perception. And this just doesn't breed confidence amongst observers, but more importantly his players.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Any play can be successful if the PLAYERS execute it. Any play.
Some plays have a much less of a chance of being successful than others.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 12:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Some plays have a much less of a chance of being successful than others.
Yeah I agree. Some plays don't put your players in a position to be successful, but if your players beat the man in front of him, a handoff to the full back can be successful.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 4:02 am to Will2nd
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the mind-boggling follow-up play to the 9-play rushing drive which fell apart following the stop route in the red-zone that resulted in a loss of yards
if you're talking about that quick throw to Jarvis, I'm pretty sure that's a check Mett made. I believe A&M wasn't lined up yet and it looked like he was uncovered, so Mett threw i hoping Jarvis could just get into the end zone quickly.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 4:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah I agree. Some plays don't put your players in a position to be successful, but if your players beat the man in front of him, a handoff to the full back can be successful.
You are 100% correct. HOWEVER, because the defense is putting more in the box than LSU can block, they not only have to beat the man in front of him, but another one to..In theory, Defense can rush 11 if they want and at most, the offense will only have 10 to block
Posted on 10/24/12 at 4:55 am to lsuexpert57
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You really have to know football and coaching to grasp his greatness. This is the main reason why so many in our fan base don't understand what they have in CLM.
"CLM makes his team a winner before the ball is even teed up" This quote I cannot question because I dont know what he does before the ball is teed up. But if this is true, everything he does after the ball is teed up negates anything he did to help them win. South Carolina game, middle of a quarter with 20 seconds on play clock in the middle of a series, out of nowhere, for no reason, he calls timeout. Makes no sense. Against Ole Miss several years ago, he pushes the blame off on another coach for not calling the time out at the end of the game. lsuexpert, you are dead wrong. The head coach is responsible for time management. He has coordinators to call plays. As Head Coach, when you make these hires you damn well better trust them to do their job so you can handle "Game Management" issues. Do you realize Fiutak is saying? Not only do you have a OC and DC, you now have a "Game Management Coordinator"..Holy crap, could you imagine what the sidelines would look like then...If CLM can overrule his OC, dont you think he can over rule his "GMO".....point being the buck stops with CLM. Final note, yes he wins games, but he does not always put his players in the best situations to win games. The National Championship was disgusting. He should flat be embarassed. Explain his greatness letting his team drowned and did ABSOLUTELY nothing to save them Not even a reverse. 3rd and 6, 10 minutes to go in game and you run a FB dive (even if JJ checked to that, the formation was still TE/wing)...greatness? Jarret Lee stayed loyal to LSU and put them in a position to win a national championship and how CLM responds is letting him kneel on the ball in the SEC championship....GREATNESS? Then CLM held his team hostage by not giving Lee a chance to play to MAYBE change the outcome....GREATNESS? As a coach you realize there is NO tomorrow and you throw the kitchen sink at Alabama....he did nothing but let his players, staff and fans get humiliated....Sorry sir, but that is not greatness
Posted on 10/24/12 at 5:13 am to Dontsettle12
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Then CLM held his team hostage by not giving Lee a chance to play to MAYBE change the outcome....GREATNESS? As a coach you realize there is NO tomorrow and you throw the kitchen sink at Alabama....he did nothing but let his players, staff and fans get humiliated....Sorry sir, but that is not greatness
This is what's so frustrating and what worries me going forward, being too scared of making a mistake to the detriment of giving our team the best chance of winning. This is why people are upset. Until this issue is addressed, LSU is destined to lose several games a year and many wins can be chalked up to great defensive play and superior talent and the team winning in spite of the coaching.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 5:27 am to JR Hamilsbach
What's frustrating is that everyone likes to blame lack of execution. Well, why don't the geniuses go recruit a qb and develop him to execute. Go recruit wr's that can catch. Go recruit o-line that can block. There is a god damn excuse for everything with some of you.
Miles is a master recruiter right? Either you are recruiting busts, or you can't develop talent.
Miles is a master recruiter right? Either you are recruiting busts, or you can't develop talent.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 5:38 am to Dontsettle12
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"CLM makes his team a winner before the ball is even teed up" This quote I cannot question because I dont know what he does before the ball is teed up. But if this is true, everything he does after the ball is teed up negates anything he did to help them win. South Carolina game, middle of a quarter with 20 seconds on play clock in the middle of a series, out of nowhere, for no reason, he calls timeout. Makes no sense. Against Ole Miss several years ago, he pushes the blame off on another coach for not calling the time out at the end of the game. lsuexpert, you are dead wrong. The head coach is responsible for time management. He has coordinators to call plays. As Head Coach, when you make these hires you damn well better trust them to do their job so you can handle "Game Management" issues. Do you realize Fiutak is saying? Not only do you have a OC and DC, you now have a "Game Management Coordinator"..Holy crap, could you imagine what the sidelines would look like then...If CLM can overrule his OC, dont you think he can over rule his "GMO".....point being the buck stops with CLM. Final note, yes he wins games, but he does not always put his players in the best situations to win games. The National Championship was disgusting. He should flat be embarassed. Explain his greatness letting his team drowned and did ABSOLUTELY nothing to save them Not even a reverse. 3rd and 6, 10 minutes to go in game and you run a FB dive (even if JJ checked to that, the formation was still TE/wing)...greatness? Jarret Lee stayed loyal to LSU and put them in a position to win a national championship and how CLM responds is letting him kneel on the ball in the SEC championship....GREATNESS? Then CLM held his team hostage by not giving Lee a chance to play to MAYBE change the outcome....GREATNESS? As a coach you realize there is NO tomorrow and you throw the kitchen sink at Alabama....he did nothing but let his players, staff and fans get humiliated....Sorry sir, but that is not greatness
This, a lot of good points. If this thread continues, you're gonna get killed by the sunshine pumpers
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