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Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:30 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
Personally I lend more to the 4-4 simply because I like blitzing. I will say the biggest advantage of the 5-3 (or any odd front) is the ability to have a NG. Youth centers are absolutely scrubs 9 out of 10 times and you can disrupt an offense solely with a legit NG.
My biggest concern with the 5-3 is off-tackle. Youth DEs get hammered that they must stop everything outside and maintain contain. Because of this they're likely to give up the C gap in an effort to maintain the edge. If you're running a 5-3 the OC will line up with a TE and run off tackle all day. They're going to have a huge numbers advantage as well as you're likely not gonna have a DE who can blow up the play. OLBs are also not likely to be able to see it coming and will likely get blindsided by the OT as he caves down. I once ran this play 6-7 times in a row against a 5-3 defense.
The reason I love the 4-4 is you can in theory get pretty complicated while keeping it simple for the kids. I would basically play it as a stack and group the 4 stacks into "pods". I basically told them they're responsible for two gaps. So the DT and ILB are responsible for the A and B gaps to their sides. The DE and OLB are responsible for the C and D gaps to their side.
It made it very simple to bring somewhat exotic blitzes while maintaining tons of simplicity. We started off solely twisting and stunting with the two players in each "pod", but as the season progressed we got to where we would (at times) mix between the two inside pods. Another blitz we found was very effective was twisting the DE and OLB (DE through the C gap and OLB looping outside). Just as DEs get used to maintaining contain, OTs get used to trying as hard as possible to reach a DE. We found that the DE slanting immediately inside would have a clear lane right through the backfield. We also had an OLB looping outside who was usually a faster more athletic player and was more adept to chase down the sweeps.
Whatever you do, just keep it simple. Simplifying a 4-4 into 4 pods and just blitzing almost everytime is idiotic in the traditional sense of the world, but the kids understood it and they loved it.
My biggest concern with the 5-3 is off-tackle. Youth DEs get hammered that they must stop everything outside and maintain contain. Because of this they're likely to give up the C gap in an effort to maintain the edge. If you're running a 5-3 the OC will line up with a TE and run off tackle all day. They're going to have a huge numbers advantage as well as you're likely not gonna have a DE who can blow up the play. OLBs are also not likely to be able to see it coming and will likely get blindsided by the OT as he caves down. I once ran this play 6-7 times in a row against a 5-3 defense.
The reason I love the 4-4 is you can in theory get pretty complicated while keeping it simple for the kids. I would basically play it as a stack and group the 4 stacks into "pods". I basically told them they're responsible for two gaps. So the DT and ILB are responsible for the A and B gaps to their sides. The DE and OLB are responsible for the C and D gaps to their side.
It made it very simple to bring somewhat exotic blitzes while maintaining tons of simplicity. We started off solely twisting and stunting with the two players in each "pod", but as the season progressed we got to where we would (at times) mix between the two inside pods. Another blitz we found was very effective was twisting the DE and OLB (DE through the C gap and OLB looping outside). Just as DEs get used to maintaining contain, OTs get used to trying as hard as possible to reach a DE. We found that the DE slanting immediately inside would have a clear lane right through the backfield. We also had an OLB looping outside who was usually a faster more athletic player and was more adept to chase down the sweeps.
Whatever you do, just keep it simple. Simplifying a 4-4 into 4 pods and just blitzing almost everytime is idiotic in the traditional sense of the world, but the kids understood it and they loved it.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:36 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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A 4-4 would get destroyed by a coach that has no shame in his playcalling and a good center, guards, and qb. You can rack up 100 yards in qb sneaks pretty easy with only 4 down lineman.
4-4 is not designed to be a read-react defense. It is solely attack based. If you sit and wait in a 4-4 then yea you will absolutely be killed up the middle. However, on every single play someone is slanting into both A gaps for us.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 4:46 pm to FootballNostradamus
Yeah I'm with you in the grand scheme of things, but you're dealing with 5th and 6th graders. If you have a good group then you can do about whatever you want. But if you're just wanting to keep it simple, you can do a lot of slanting and late shifts to still confuse the shite out of kids and combat off tackles while not giving up your nose guard.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:21 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
4-2-5 with ss helping with run off edges. Cover 3 or man depending on who you're playing
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:26 pm to Coach B
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4-2-5 with ss helping with run off edges. Cover 3 or man depending on who you're playing
Why do you have 5 DBs against offenses that cannot throw the ball??Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:28 pm to RoscoeHarper
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4-2-5 with ss helping with run off edges. Cover 3 or man depending on who you're playing
Why do you have 5 DBs against offenses that cannot throw the ball??
I was thinking the same thing. There were times we brought the FS down into the box and basically played a Cover 2 with just our corners hahaha. Granted this was 5th grade football, but you get the point.
If you're playing 8th grade Texas football you probably gotta be honest, but if you're coaching normal level 5th-6th graders you need an 8 man box, period.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:32 pm to PANTHER
4-3
Cheat the best tackler (usually a safety) up to the line & have both corners shooting in from both side. Other safety plays back.
Cheat the best tackler (usually a safety) up to the line & have both corners shooting in from both side. Other safety plays back.
This post was edited on 8/23/12 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 8/23/12 at 5:40 pm to FootballNostradamus
True in 4-2-5 you have 5 DBS but having them down in box helping with run off edges u have basically a 6-2 but with quicker guys outside. If a team were to be a passing team obviously they would loosen up and play curl flats but at young age or more running offenses they can strictly play run. Can also blitz and still be sound on backside etc.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 6:45 pm to Coach B
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True in 4-2-5 you have 5 DBS but having them down in box helping with run off edges u have basically a 6-2 but with quicker guys outside. If a team were to be a passing team obviously they would loosen up and play curl flats but at young age or more running offenses they can strictly play run. Can also blitz and still be sound on backside etc.
Yea I think I'd call that more of a double eagle but I get what you're going for.
Posted on 8/23/12 at 10:21 pm to FootballNostradamus
Very interesting suggestions. I am tired off giving up big plays on the outside
Posted on 8/23/12 at 11:24 pm to prostyleoffensetime
"piss on pass" man up any eligible receiver outside the box and stack the box. maybe with a 1 high look. the FS and MLB need to have speed. Get a stud upfront. Good luck
Posted on 8/24/12 at 3:11 am to lsutiger575
If your center 3 DL have size a 5-3 is very good. They can handle the middle with the ILB leaving 2 guys to cover the outside. If you're not strong in the middle and fast outside you will get ran on.
I can't wait to see our kids play we have good size on the lines and speed but I don't know if we have enough.
I agree you have to have a good center in peewee it can make or break you.
I can't wait to see our kids play we have good size on the lines and speed but I don't know if we have enough.
I agree you have to have a good center in peewee it can make or break you.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 6:52 am to PANTHER
4-4-3, with one of the 3 db's blitzing from a different angle every play and the other 2 watching for TE pop. If spread formation, you can sometimes still blitz, as it will often just be a run up the middle, but safe to keep them on receivers until the see run. Make sure the two db's or outside lb's stay home to stop reverses, until they literally see ball cross line of scrimmage on opposite side, then pursue. If a kid messes up, yank him for a few plays and he will get straight quick. Hit the qb often, the blitzing, especially jumping up on the line before snap and bouncing around, will really mess up o- line and get in qb head (usually coaches son). You will be hitting qb all the time before handoffs for tackles for loss and fumbles. On short yardage and pat's run "scooby doo," an all out blitz. Have fun names and put speed at dt or ng to shoot past slower o- line. Small kids are good there if quick.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 7:00 am to LSUandAU
5 yd plays ok, but obviously not ideal. Make the other team snap the ball 10+ times if they want to earn a score..avoid big plays off end runs/reverses. With blitzing, which they won't be use to, and pressure in the backfield, on a long drive, the O will mess up and fumble.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 7:04 am to FootballNostradamus
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Youth football defense
Personally I lend more to the 4-4 simply because I like blitzing. I will say the biggest advantage of the 5-3 (or any odd front) is the ability to have a NG. Youth centers are absolutely scrubs 9 out of 10 times and you can disrupt an offense solely with a legit NG.
My biggest concern with the 5-3 is off-tackle. Youth DEs get hammered that they must stop everything outside and maintain contain. Because of this they're likely to give up the C gap in an effort to maintain the edge. If you're running a 5-3 the OC will line up with a TE and run off tackle all day. They're going to have a huge numbers advantage as well as you're likely not gonna have a DE who can blow up the play. OLBs are also not likely to be able to see it coming and will likely get blindsided by the OT as he caves down. I once ran this play 6-7 times in a row against a 5-3 defense.
The reason I love the 4-4 is you can in theory get pretty complicated while keeping it simple for the kids. I would basically play it as a stack and group the 4 stacks into "pods". I basically told them they're responsible for two gaps. So the DT and ILB are responsible for the A and B gaps to their sides. The DE and OLB are responsible for the C and D gaps to their side.
It made it very simple to bring somewhat exotic blitzes while maintaining tons of simplicity. We started off solely twisting and stunting with the two players in each "pod", but as the season progressed we got to where we would (at times) mix between the two inside pods. Another blitz we found was very effective was twisting the DE and OLB (DE through the C gap and OLB looping outside). Just as DEs get used to maintaining contain, OTs get used to trying as hard as possible to reach a DE. We found that the DE slanting immediately inside would have a clear lane right through the backfield. We also had an OLB looping outside who was usually a faster more athletic player and was more adept to chase down the sweeps.
Whatever you do, just keep it simple. Simplifying a 4-4 into 4 pods and just blitzing almost everytime is idiotic in the traditional sense of the world, but the kids understood it and they loved it.
Great advice...blitz, blitz, blitz, make it fun, avoid big plays.
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