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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 9/30/13 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 1:30 pm to
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I was always confused about the ToJ details as well. He was outraged and disgusted at what Tywin and the Mountain did to Elia and her children. He didn't talk to Robert for quite some time when Robert had told Ned that he supported what Tywin did. That's what I never understood why the Kingsguard wanted to fight Ned to the death; Ned would never harm babies and children, especially his own nephew. Or did the Kingsguard know that they would basically rather die than serve Robert the Usurper??

Here is how I think of it: we know that Robert felt until his dying day that Lyanna was stolen and raped by Rhaegar. Why are we assuming that Ned did not feel this way forever? It seems to me that if Robert and Ned were buddies and fought all through the war together, Ned possibly thought the same as Robert about what happened to Lyanna. So when he gets to the ToJ, the Kingsguard are opposing him because they want to protect the king's blood, but Ned wants to get his sister who was wrongfully taken and raped. It wasn't until he sees her and she tells him to promise her that he will take her child who was born of love and not rape, and to not tell Robert the truth of his parentage because she knows how Robert will feel about it, that he changed his mind about the situation.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 4:30 pm to
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we know that Robert felt until his dying day that Lyanna was stolen and raped by Rhaegar. Why are we assuming that Ned did not feel this way forever?


When Ned is backtracking through Jon Arryn's last days and is visiting the whore houses, he thinks to himself that Rhaegar probably would not have visited these establishments. He thought somewhat highly of Rhaegar, why would someone who's sister was raped by this person think this? It's obvious he had enough time with Lyanna to learn the truth.

It didn't matter what Lyanna or Ned wanted, the Kingsguard were there to protect the baby King and his right as the next in line in the Targaryen Dynasty. Ned was there to deny this and that is why they fought him.

Lyanna made Ned promise to take care of Jon as his own and protect him which was different than what her protectors wanted, ie. to install Jon as the next king.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 4:32 pm
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