You seem to have misunderstood me. What I'm saying is that SOME of tCotF became Others, not ALL of them. An extreme faction, if you will- one who's beliefs/ motives did not jibe with the rest of tCotF. It's not like there was a consensus decision for all of them to become (or create) the Others...They were a peaceful race, nature oriented. In my mind, I see them defending themselves, but within rational limits...I don't see them consciously creating a weapon capable destroying all life out of spite...a few of them, sure.

Absolutely, the TRUE CotF would fight against Them...the Elves fought the Orcs, yes?

I'm attempting to apply a Tokien paradigm here, and it may or may not be what Martin is thinking.

re-reading my theory, what I really like the best is IF tCotF had anything to do with creating the Others...it was an accident. Clearly, they had powerful magic at their disposal, and just as they did to The Neck, it didn't always work the way they intended. They were losing the war with the Andals, and desperate to survive, turned to darker, destructive magic as a last resort...and it backfired. Another example of a civilization destroying itself with it's own technology, as the Doom of Valyria could have been (mining too deep...another Tolkienish idea)

As far as the height difference, magic can do all kinds of shite. If the Others were intended to be 'super soldiers' why would they be designed to be small?

driven South vs. North:

I'd like that link. I know that the only area not defeated by the Andals was the North, hence why there are still WW trees there. The history I read long ago stated the Neck was turned into a swamp (meant to be a sea) to stop the spread Northward.
That made sense to me.

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Posted by BloodSweat&Beers

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Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:16 pm to 19

I don't think Martin would intentionally borrow something from Tolkien or the typically fantasy stuff, ie the farmboy turned savior stuff.

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Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu

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Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:41 pm to 19

quote:
What I'm saying is that SOME of tCotF became Others, not ALL of them.

I actually like that idea. Like you said with the orcs and elves.

I'll do some more digging.

This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 1:33 pm

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Posted by CottonWasKing

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Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:04 pm to 19

I think the others and the children are two seperate species that were the original inhabitants of westeros. Long ago they waged war on one another with the children eventually winning. Then the first men came who fought the children and eventually they came to a treaty agreement on the isle of faces. The others returned at some point towards the end of the age of heroes. The children with the help of the first men drove them back and erected the wall to ensure they could never return.

Eventually the andals arrived with their steel and drove both the children and the first men from their homes. The first men settled and defended the north but the children weren't quite so fortunate.

Now after thousands of years spent brooding and festering the children and the others have brokered a tentative alliance in order to regain their home before its too late.

We are witnessing the final push from two desperate peoples who will do anything to earn the right to carry on living. Even if that means they have to make common cause with their mortal enemies.

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