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re: How has Miles improved as a coach?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:58 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:58 pm to tigerfoot
quote:I agree with you that we probably would not have won anyway. Bama had our number that night. But it wouldn't have 'looked' so bad and been so embarassing...you know, the goosegg and all...the not crossing the fifty yard line, that stuff.
I wish Miles would have done something different in hindsight. However I truly dont think it changes the outcome, at all.
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:12 pm to The312
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Anyone who is rational
Wouldn't post the emotional and ignorant drivel that you did.
Get over it. Grow up. Move on.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:15 pm to la_birdman
CLOCK MANAGEMENT
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:18 pm to Gray Tiger
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Wouldn't post the emotional and ignorant drivel that you did.
Get over it. Grow up. Move on.
Yes, I apologize for "ignorantly" and "emotionally" pointing out that Miles could have substitued Lee for JJ in the NCG, just as he did the opposite in November. That "ignorance" is, needless to say, in contradistinction to the genius of your argument that NCG substitution was just downright impossible.
And I have moved on. The NCG coaching performance sucked. Hope for better in the future. I'm not the one insisting that mistakes weren't made.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:32 pm to The312
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Neither happened
Yep, I saw the game 6 mons ago and I saw the 13 before it as well. The staff made a call, we took the L, and finished 13-1, 9-0, and #2 in the nation.
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Haven't we dispensed with the nonsensical staff infallibility premise yet?
Who said any of that, but for you? That staff made mistakes as they all do and they have to live with it.
None of that changes the fact that highly successful staffs, such as LSU, are better informed/trained/experinced to decide who starts/plays when than you and me. It's not like we taking JS or CH staffs here...when you give me the best 7 yr period of success in LSU history, you get from me respect and a willingness to get over crap like this without the need to piss and moan bout it for months and months and months and ...........but each to our own.
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The bottom line is this: the 1/9/12 was a coaching debacle
True and that happens, but it doesn't blind me to the fact the same staff led LSU to one of the top 5 years in 100+ years of LSU football.
I'm not the lease bit worried bout our staff or its ability to guide LSU to another elite season.
I'll defend the man/coach for his LSU career, which to this point in time, is the most successful HC career in LSU history.
If you want to harp on his failures, knock yourself out...I got over that failure a longggggggggg time ago.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:41 pm to The312
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I'm not the one insisting that mistakes weren't made
Where is anyone suggesting mistakes were not made in the BCS CG? All I see is people saying one bad game does not erase 13 others, let alone the 70+ before that.
Of course there are legitimate criticisms. Just like there are legit criticisms of anycoach or player. Steve spurrier lost a NCG 62-24, I don't recall Florida fans over reactingthe way our fan have.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:45 pm to The312
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Just FYI, "e.g." (exempli gratia) means "for example." Wasn't meant to be exhaustive. Just illustrative. Any way, pedantic point. Doesn't really matter. None of it does. Not sure how I let myself be sucked into another NCG debate. It's over. We can't change it. All we can do is look forward to this season and hope for the best. Not to mention, in the larger scheme of things, we're all Tiger Fans on the same side.
damn good post. i never defended miles for the NC game, just searched for answers to why he didn't go upfield more in the second half and use the qb that is best doing that. i defend miles body of work and anyone that knocks that is, imo, an idiot. miles and team layed an egg much like saban and team did in the sugar bowl a few yrs back. i hope we learn from that and come back ready to go the distance. and that means THROWING THE DAMN FOOTBALL IF YOU NEED TO.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:47 pm to The312
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The bottom line is this: the 1/9/12 was a coaching debacle. Anyone without an agenda would admit as much. The only reason the debate lingers on in threads such as this one is that certain factions within our fanbase seem morally impelled to defend the indefensible. The gameplan, playcalling, personnel management sucked. Let it go.
I see it as quite the opposite. There is a segment ofthe fanbase that continues to use 1/9 and some kind of trump card in any discussion about Les Miles.
For example, when ranking SEC coaches some say #6 is right (laughably low), why 1/9. Ask in 7 years if he improved as a coach, some say no, why? 1/9.
I think everyone agrees it was a shitty game. No everyone agrees that changing QB's is some paneca, but overall it was a terrible game. Its the anti-Miles side that can't see to let i go.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Where is anyone suggesting mistakes were not made in the BCS CG? All I see is people saying one bad game does not erase 13 others, let alone the 70+ before that.
Then apparently you didn't read the disquisition on how it was impossible for Miles to substitute the QB in the NCG. That has nothing to do with the previous thirteen games, and everything to do with defending the abominable decisions in the NC game itself. That was the specific issue and post that I was responding to.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:54 pm to The312
You're right, I didn't read thru the whole thread, I apoligize if I took your comments out of context. Of course I also don't know the context of the comment about not being able to change QB's. I'm kind of torn on whether they should have. On the one hand, it might have done Jefferson some good to take a breather, but I don't think Lee would have done any better and may have done worse. Its also worth mentioning if it hasn't been already, that since 2008 Alabama has lost 6 games, JJ was the key QB in 2 of those 6.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:15 pm to The Boat
"Talented players and his assistants make the program what it is. 2010 Les was the same as 2005 Les. 2011 Les looked better because we beat everyone by 30 points. Except one.."
I have to agree, I'm surprised more people don't realize this. He has effectively ran off 2 offensive coordinators and imposed this dysfunction of an offense on his offensive coordinators. His assistants are what have saved him, remember when we had co-defensive coordinators and how everyone wanted to fire him? Well the offense has performed that way for 4 years and he's only getting a pass on that because the defense and special teams have won us games. Les doesn't want to hire a "real" OC.
I have to agree, I'm surprised more people don't realize this. He has effectively ran off 2 offensive coordinators and imposed this dysfunction of an offense on his offensive coordinators. His assistants are what have saved him, remember when we had co-defensive coordinators and how everyone wanted to fire him? Well the offense has performed that way for 4 years and he's only getting a pass on that because the defense and special teams have won us games. Les doesn't want to hire a "real" OC.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:17 pm to AlwysATgr
"Areas for Improvement: it was nothing less than sheer football stupidity to mothball the O we used for 8 games last year. Hope he learned something from that and will never, ever repeat this mistake again. "
This is another misconception. Yes that offense was still better but it still wasn't going to beat Bama, we were extremely conservative on offense all season long we were just a little more balanced earlier in the season.
This is another misconception. Yes that offense was still better but it still wasn't going to beat Bama, we were extremely conservative on offense all season long we were just a little more balanced earlier in the season.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:23 pm to Hurricane Mike
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I have to agree, I'm surprised more people don't realize this.
But YOU do?
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He has effectively ran off 2 offensive coordinators
One got a head coaching gig.
And I guess you are one of the few that wanted the other one to stay?
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. His assistants are what have saved him, remember when we had co-defensive coordinators and how everyone wanted to fire him?
This is precious. If his assistants have saved him, then are you willing to admit that the co defensive coordinators were a good idea?
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he's only getting a pass on that because the defense and special teams have won us games.
And??????????????
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Les doesn't want to hire a "real" OC.
What would that matter if games are won? Why would care if he had a three eyed purple gorilla as "oc" if LSU wins games?
Man you can't find comedy like this any place else.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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How has Miles improved as a coach?
No. He is at a school which allows him to spend tons of money on a great staff which covers up most, but not all, of his inefficiencies.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:02 pm to diehardfan
And yet he still wins games.
And you..............
Well exactly what do you do?
And you..............
Well exactly what do you do?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:04 pm to Gray Tiger
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And yet he still wins games.
I know, it's like a retard who inherits a fortune.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:07 pm to diehardfan
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it's like a retard
No need to bring your personal life into this.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:27 pm to ForeverLSU02
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by hiring extremely good position coaches and recruiters
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:41 pm to VesperiaLSU
His tv commercials seem to be improving...
He seems much more settled into the Louisiana culture.
His graduation and gpa #s are up
One thing that has regressed that i'd love to see more of is the 'Mad Hatter'Miles. Some of the plays he pulled out in 2007 were epic. Most were head scratchers, but still epic.
He seems much more settled into the Louisiana culture.
His graduation and gpa #s are up
One thing that has regressed that i'd love to see more of is the 'Mad Hatter'Miles. Some of the plays he pulled out in 2007 were epic. Most were head scratchers, but still epic.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 7:30 pm to la_birdman
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Bowden, Meyer, Tressel, Stoops, Kelly, all have lost in NC games.
Where's Saban in that list?
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