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Is this blatant stupidity or am I missing something?
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:24 am
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:24 am
Spain has established itself as the premier footballing country in the world and their reign shows no signs of slowing down. From the Euros to the WC to the Champions League down to Bilbao thrashing United in the Europa league.
Their domestic league is now populated with teams that play the tiki-taka style with greater success than expected due to their clubs' budgets. They have the players certainly, but more importantly, they all are playing this style now and it is dominating everyone. At all levels.
That said, the country is also in a massive recession and that extends to most of the professional clubs in Spain.
Does all of this not seem like a super easy formula for how an English team(s) can take over world football? Why doesn't a team like Liverpool, Tottenham, Villa- whoever, bring in Bielsa and learn to play the Spanish system with some of their players and some lesser known Spanish players. Give him control to the academy and let him bring through young players that fit his style while recruiting accordingly.
It's clear as day that this is THE best way of playing soccer in current times, so why don't some of these teams that are so close to the top do this?
Money would beget money at that point and most importantly, you could build cheaply and internally.
If this was all confusing, it's because I'm on ambien so I apologize.
Hopefully some of this was clear, if not I'll clarify further later.
Their domestic league is now populated with teams that play the tiki-taka style with greater success than expected due to their clubs' budgets. They have the players certainly, but more importantly, they all are playing this style now and it is dominating everyone. At all levels.
That said, the country is also in a massive recession and that extends to most of the professional clubs in Spain.
Does all of this not seem like a super easy formula for how an English team(s) can take over world football? Why doesn't a team like Liverpool, Tottenham, Villa- whoever, bring in Bielsa and learn to play the Spanish system with some of their players and some lesser known Spanish players. Give him control to the academy and let him bring through young players that fit his style while recruiting accordingly.
It's clear as day that this is THE best way of playing soccer in current times, so why don't some of these teams that are so close to the top do this?
Money would beget money at that point and most importantly, you could build cheaply and internally.
If this was all confusing, it's because I'm on ambien so I apologize.
Hopefully some of this was clear, if not I'll clarify further later.
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 4:11 am to LfcSU3520
Just speculation, but I get the feeling the English are kind of stubborn and really want "English football" to retain its "English" feel.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 7:35 am to LfcSU3520
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It's clear as day that this is THE best way of playing soccer in current times, so why don't some of these teams that are so close to the top do this?
i think over a season in england it wouldn't be as spectacular as the bilbao v. Man U game
i think the difference in refereeing is a major one, and the english refs let a LOOOT more physicality go
Posted on 4/16/12 at 9:38 am to LfcSU3520
I agree that Spain is playing the best football right now, and it's not close. That said, I'd rather watch English football than Spanish football. It all comes down to the level of physicality. English soccer is much more physical, which is why someone like Wayne Rooney flourishes. This doesn't work on the International stage because of the way referees call it. Spanish football is a beautiful, fluid form while English football is a few guys duking it out outside of the pub.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 10:38 am to LfcSU3520
You really think United didn't want to purposely LOSE their europa league game?
Spain has 2 decent teams, the rest are pretty poor in quality really. You need to realize nobody cares about Europa league, aside from Germany, and now apparently Spain. Their model is unsustainable, i'm not sure why people even bother watching. Until they get revenue sharing, I can with 100% certainty, predict the next 10 champions with only 20 guesses.
Spain has 2 decent teams, the rest are pretty poor in quality really. You need to realize nobody cares about Europa league, aside from Germany, and now apparently Spain. Their model is unsustainable, i'm not sure why people even bother watching. Until they get revenue sharing, I can with 100% certainty, predict the next 10 champions with only 20 guesses.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 11:50 am to LfcSU3520
You're starting to see some of that happening in another football code: rugby union.
The southern hemisphere teams have been known for their open, running style of play for a long time now. France started to adopt this style of play in the late 90s, with Wales following soon after. England and Ireland seemed to prefer the older way of playing (kick for field position, keep it tight when possible, etc) for a while, until Ireland opened it up a bit in the last couple years. Lately, with the influx of younger talent on the England side, they've started to open it up a bit more.
Sports evolve, and styles of play evolve within sports. The English clubs will evolve--we're seeing it more slowly because of the aforementioned tradition, but it IS happening.
Hell, one more cross-code example: Remember when spreading the field horizontally in American football was considered a gimmick, and how that wasn't "real football"?
The southern hemisphere teams have been known for their open, running style of play for a long time now. France started to adopt this style of play in the late 90s, with Wales following soon after. England and Ireland seemed to prefer the older way of playing (kick for field position, keep it tight when possible, etc) for a while, until Ireland opened it up a bit in the last couple years. Lately, with the influx of younger talent on the England side, they've started to open it up a bit more.
Sports evolve, and styles of play evolve within sports. The English clubs will evolve--we're seeing it more slowly because of the aforementioned tradition, but it IS happening.
Hell, one more cross-code example: Remember when spreading the field horizontally in American football was considered a gimmick, and how that wasn't "real football"?
Posted on 4/16/12 at 1:06 pm to LfcSU3520
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Does all of this not seem like a super easy formula for how an English team(s) can take over world football? Why doesn't a team like Liverpool, Tottenham, Villa- whoever, bring in Bielsa and learn to play the Spanish system with some of their players and some lesser known Spanish players. Give him control to the academy and let him bring through young players that fit his style while recruiting accordingly.
Because, outside of bringing Spanish players in immediately, it will take a very long time to build a Spanish style of play. The tika-taka has become more pronounced in recent years, but it's not any different from the Total Football espoused by the Dutch, at least philosophically. What Barca does better than most teams in the world is their use of width. It's why they can break down even the most compact of teams, because they are always threatening with width, making the opposition move backward and horizontally while the ball moves forward and vertically.
Implementing a system like that has taken the better part of 30 years. Barca's academy was reorganized in 1979. It wasn't till 1988 that they produced their first La Masia product. Teams don't have that type of time any more, nor do they have the patience. Another more recent example. Arsenal reorganized their academy in 1996. The first player who you could say was the perfect player for Wenger's now ideal system was produced 15 years after that reorganization.
Few managers can simply plug in a system and find players to play in it. There has to be some compromise at all times with the ideal system changed to fit the players available.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 1:22 pm to LfcSU3520
4 years ago, 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the UCL were English. Maybe the English clubs are/will evolve to compete with the current Spanish style, but it takes some time.
Plus, Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi aren't gonna be around forever.
Plus, Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi aren't gonna be around forever.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 4:50 pm to LfcSU3520
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LfcSU3520
Some of this seems to be answered in Soccernomics, no? I'm not quite done with it but what I've gotten so far is that:
A)Clubs are impacted much by recessions or economic downturns
B)Soccer clubs are ran by idiots
C)England and the English are stubborn
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