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Sketchy recruiting tactics

Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:24 am
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:24 am
Is it possible that our relatively weak class so far is because CLM isn't using some of the tactics that other schools are using(employing gfs/dads) because of our probation? Surely, we've done whatever it takes-without bringing down the program- to bring in the best talent over the years.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 9:26 am
Posted by tigerblood29
Member since Sep 2009
3062 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:26 am to
entirely possible,smart to be on the side of caution right now.not like we have a shortage of talent already on campus
Posted by garryowen
Tacoma, WA
Member since Jun 2011
305 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:39 am to
well, to quote an unnamed LSU coach in my office last semester, "compliance? Heck, we ain't cheated like that since Saban was here."
Posted by tigerblood29
Member since Sep 2009
3062 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:41 am to
if any gumps see that
Posted by TGK4LSU
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2005
2712 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:54 am to
quote:

CLM isn't using some of the tactics


The use of CLM & tactics or strategy in the same conversation is concerning.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:17 am to
It doesn't help that LSU is under the final year of probation due to the McCarthy-Hicks situation and then Chip Kelly paying a crazy amount of money for "HS footage" which happened to come from a guy who LSU and Cal were connected to but were paying market price for actual tape.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:26 am to
i hate no stats to back this up, but i have observed over the years that schools on probation do not recruit as well. when not on probation you can take more chances with what is said and maybe done.
Posted by WDcajun
Lafayette,La
Member since Dec 2003
4199 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:29 am to
Depends if theres job openings
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:30 am to
quote:

no stats to back this up, but i have observed over the years that schools on probation do not recruit as well. when not on probation you can take more chances with what is said and maybe done.



Exactly my point, but stated more succintly.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:31 am to
quote:

i hate no stats to back this up, but i have observed over the years that schools on probation do not recruit as well. when not on probation you can take more chances with what is said and maybe done


You got it. Every coaching staff that is serious about competing for titles will try to bend the rules whenever they can. Some like to experiment a little and others like to take it to near breaking point or even beyond. These rules are currently rigid for LSU until we are out of the NCAA/national spotlight.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13485 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:40 am to
USC and Ohio St would disagree. Both have loaded classes and are on probation. Probation isn't the reason our class is percieved to be underwhelming. Our class is right on pace with the normal routine but is lacking the top ranked players or last minute guys to push it up towards the top 5. It happens. Our class is also heavy with LA kids who are never evaluated properly on a national level. We have 13 or so kids that are 4* kids on at least 1 site and that is about the usual amount we have.
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:43 am to
quote:

USC and Ohio St



USC is getting good players, but if only 60% of those players pan out-the nat'l avg.- they are screwed. OSU is riding the Urban Meyer high...it will subside a bit in time. CLM is about preserving the program. Not worth the risk at the moment.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 10:45 am
Posted by gOLDTiger
California
Member since Jan 2011
1479 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Our class is also heavy with LA kids who are never evaluated properly on a national level

Exactly! When you consider the talent LA pumps out (both at the college level and beyond) as a % of its population, if the athletes were properly rated on the front end (IMHO) it would be flat out scary.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:54 am to
We also forfeited some official visits and in-home visits due to the sanctions. We are drawing from a slightly smaller pool due to this. I'm not saying this class isn't good but I am pretty sure the next class will be even better.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34922 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Posted by TGK4LSU quote: CLM isn't using some of the tactics The use of CLM & tactics or strategy in the same conversation is concerning.


solid post you fricking jackass
Posted by PeaRidgeWatash
Down by the docks of the city
Member since Dec 2004
15210 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:10 am to
quote:

CLM isn't using some of the tactics The use of CLM & tactics or strategy in the same conversation is concerning.


quote:

solid post you fricking jackass



Ditto, omaha
Posted by hogeb
Foster City, CA
Member since Jan 2006
370 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:17 am to
I'm not a star watcher by any means, but if the new LA rankings are any indication a few of our 3 stars should get bumps.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 11:20 am
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:30 am to
quote:

but if the new LA rankings are any indication a few of our 3 stars should get bumps.



The guys hired to cover a state gets ignored a lot when determining final rankings so I don't expect much to change. I subscribe to Scout and notice it happening there. A well respected analyst like Shipp says he suggested bump up for some LA guys but a lot of times there is no bump or just a slight nudge. Travin Dural is still the nation's 98th rated receiver according to Scout.
Posted by tigerfan4120
Member since Dec 2003
3264 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 12:10 pm to
I think it could be a small factor. This class being ranked "low" relative to what we are used to is a confluence of a few things, IMO mainly:

1) We were addressing needs at positions like LB and OL which are not typically highly ranked.

2) Class is full on Louisiana kids who traditionally have not been evaluated well by recruiting services. For example Jerqwinick Sandolph - LSU fans even hardly know about the kid but just like Alfred Blue I would bet he is a great athlete and will contribute at LSU.

3) There is almost always some recruiting lag when your team plays for the national championship because coaches are splitting time between intensive game prep and recruiting, and when the importance of the game is so high a lot of the emphasis is shifted towards game planning. People will counter by pointing at Bama this year, but they forget that those f'ers didn't have to game plan and prepare for an SEC championship game either. Saban was out recruiting AND pitching that his team was a NCG contender while LSU got shafted and had to play a game.

4) Maybe probation...questionably. No doubt Bama is doing some shady shite that LSU can't do at the moment (and I'm not saying we're above it)
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
87318 posts
Posted on 1/28/12 at 12:34 pm to
This has been my thinking, we laying low with the NCAA snooping around.

Let's not forget Shepard was almost suspended for half the season for NCAA violations.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 12:36 pm
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