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The BCS MANIPULATION
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:21 am
Never before has CFB ever seen this exact situation. For those of you who say, " There is a first time for everything.", I dont believe you will ever see it again. No, the BCS will at least get tweaked this off season. Why? Look at the possible end results of which there can only be two:
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
That debate aside, the BCS, on its own website says nothing about matching the 2 best teams. Here is what it says:
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The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game
What all CFB fans have always heard from the media and its various talking heads through out the past seasons are terms like, "Entire Body of Work" and "Regular Season Counts" and "Regular Season is the playoffs". According to the BCS's own website, they were correct in saying that. Here is what the BCS says:
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This robust system of post-season bowl games offers rewards for teams and places a great premium on the regular season.
I think we know how this happened. After all, bama is the #2 team in the BCS. But it sure is curious how bama retained its #2 ranking after OSU blew the doors off of OU. Especially in a weekend that bama didnt even play a game. Were the voters influenced by the bama media bias? I think we can all agree, ESPN couldnt have done anything else to push bama into the BCS championship game. Has any other head coach gotten that much air time in that type of situation?
Then there are the computers. Some polls use preseason rankings in their formula. Some dont even publish there formula like that of the Sagarin Poll. If there was to be investigation....the poll formulas would be a great place to start.
In any event, the BCS system obviously can be manipulated. Judging by the mysterious computer polls and how some of the voters in the Harris and Coaches Poll voted, I believe it was.
With that as a given the question is why? Never before have we ever seen this type of ESPN push to influence a matchup. Ratings cannot be the only reason. The BCSNCG will be the only game on TV at that time. Another matchup would have also gotten good ratings.
BTW, LSU rightfully plays the disrespect card here and wins by two scores. 28-17. Proving once again....be careful what you wish for.
BCS Website
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 10:25 am
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:24 am to MoreOrLes
I think this is ESPN creating as much controversy as they can because they will now use this to push for a 4 team playoff.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:28 am to MoreOrLes
Tl;dr
Posted on 12/6/11 at 10:53 am to MoreOrLes
When the chips were down, when Oklahoma State had to do what it was asked to do... the Cowboys came through... big time.
When did Alabama have a similar accomplishment? The Tide failed in their own stadium.
This game is bullshite. Not enough talk was focused on what was FAIR to LSU and Oklahoma State.
When did Alabama have a similar accomplishment? The Tide failed in their own stadium.
This game is bullshite. Not enough talk was focused on what was FAIR to LSU and Oklahoma State.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:01 am to MoreOrLes
I don't necessarily disagree, and I'm not saying I'm for or against a playoff...but there is one thing that most people who are pro-playoff don't realize, and it's this:
A playoff system makes it LESS likely that the "best" team wins. It also lessens the importance of the regular season games that fans hold so dearly. So a playoff system hardly allows anything to get "settled on the field."
A playoff system makes it LESS likely that the "best" team wins. It also lessens the importance of the regular season games that fans hold so dearly. So a playoff system hardly allows anything to get "settled on the field."
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:08 am to MoreOrLes
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That debate aside, the BCS, on its own website says nothing about matching the 2 best teams. Here is what it says:
The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:10 am to MoreOrLes
[quote]Never before has CFB ever seen this exact situation. For those of you who say, " There is a first time for everything.", I dont believe you will ever see it again. No, the BCS will at least get tweaked this off season. Why? Look at the possible end results of which there can only be two:
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game. Bammers commit sucide like lemmings they are.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1. Bammers get upset because no one acknowledges them as champs, but instead calls them chumps. Bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they are.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
Next time LSU plays Bamabutts in regular season, LSU destroys them, Saban calls miles a jerk for running up the score.... bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they.....
1). LSU wins BCSCG, OSU wins its bowl or not, the rest of the country still hating on an all SEC BCSCG game. Bammers commit sucide like lemmings they are.
2). Bama wins, possible split title, and LSU will have more wins on the season being SEC champs and having beaten the BCS champs at their house. The series for the year will be 1-1. Bammers get upset because no one acknowledges them as champs, but instead calls them chumps. Bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they are.
The spin doctors and the bama supporters such as ESPN have said all along that the "BCS got it right in that the 2 best teams will be meeting in the BCSNCG". Well thats debatable, yes we play defense in the SEC like no other conference but other conferences have real offenses. Bottom line until there is a playoff and games are settled on the field one cannot be 100% sure of who is better.
Next time LSU plays Bamabutts in regular season, LSU destroys them, Saban calls miles a jerk for running up the score.... bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they.....
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:21 am to MoreOrLes
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:22 am to MoreOrLes
i really like the BCS system, but would prefer a +1 set up using the big 4 BCS bowls as a playoff
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:29 am to MoreOrLes
Didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this was brought up, and if it was, I apologize in advance.
I thought it was kind of strange that the computers were loving OSU, and if I'm not wrong, all of them had OSU at #2 and then somehow for the final week, 2 of the computers had OSU at #3. I wonder if a programmer may not have tweaked the formula in Bama's favor.
I thought it was kind of strange that the computers were loving OSU, and if I'm not wrong, all of them had OSU at #2 and then somehow for the final week, 2 of the computers had OSU at #3. I wonder if a programmer may not have tweaked the formula in Bama's favor.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:32 pm to MoreOrLes
My only beef is that there should not be human polls. Human are bias. On the other hand, common sense needs to come into play and the computers can be biased, based on the program. Coaches poll is a joke. These guys don't have time to watch games. They are focused on getting their teams ready and recruiting, amoung spending time with their families. Do you think Coach Miles watched a bunch of Okie st games, other than him being a former coach for that team. If you don't watch the games, then you cannot vote as you should. You see scores. A team wins, move em up, team loses, move em down. Just like Herbie said. Harris I don't know enough about, but for all of the computers, they should have to reveal their programs and how they work. There was an error just last year in one of the computers. Mistakes happen.
I do think they got it right. LSU and Bama are the best two teams from what I have seen. Big 12 is overrated. See Texas in 09, Oklahoma in 08, etc, etc, etc.
I do think they got it right. LSU and Bama are the best two teams from what I have seen. Big 12 is overrated. See Texas in 09, Oklahoma in 08, etc, etc, etc.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 5:25 pm to MoreOrLes
Solid post. Agree with just about all of it. 
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:16 am to MoreOrLes
Based on this year's final BCS rankings, I have to say an 8 team playoff is the way to go. With a 4 team playoff, Stanford would be in and Pac-12 champ Oregon would be out.
BTW--anybody got any idea how the logistics of a playoff would work out? I'd have to nix allowing teams to play in their home stadiums--too much of an advantage for some (like us) and not the model basketball presents.
BTW--anybody got any idea how the logistics of a playoff would work out? I'd have to nix allowing teams to play in their home stadiums--too much of an advantage for some (like us) and not the model basketball presents.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:52 am to MoreOrLes
Same thing going to happen next year .
Posted on 12/7/11 at 2:09 am to MoreOrLes
The BCS is a good system for LSU. With some suggested tweaks, the BCS would still be the best system.
1. Thecomputers must reveal their programs and must be proven predictors or they are dropped.
2.The critical change is all finalists must come from deserving conferences. This would be done by reviewing a conferences’ record against the teams that finished in the top 5, 10, 15, and 20 ranked colleges for a selected—2, 3, or 4—previous years. A simple computer program gives the results. Independent’s would be put in a theoretical conference pool. If it leaves during the 2, 3, or 4 year period, they must start over again in their new conference.
3.Only the coach’s poll would count, and a coach could not vote for his own team.
4.All conferences must have the same number conference members +1 or - 1.
5.All conferences must play at least 80% of games inside their conferences.
6.The regular season games are reduced to 11 games. (Of course if two teams have no bowl they want, they can opt out and play anyone that will play them.)
7.Conference playoffs are eliminated, and a fair across-the-board tiebreaker would be required for each conference.
8. The top four teams play in the traditional bowl games against one another.
9. The other teams play in the other traditional bowls.
10. The two out of the select four winners play in the BCS championship game.
11. The BCS winner could not appear with the AP winner in a co-championship ceremony.
Some traditions would be lost, but the BCS system has already started the destruction.
1. Thecomputers must reveal their programs and must be proven predictors or they are dropped.
2.The critical change is all finalists must come from deserving conferences. This would be done by reviewing a conferences’ record against the teams that finished in the top 5, 10, 15, and 20 ranked colleges for a selected—2, 3, or 4—previous years. A simple computer program gives the results. Independent’s would be put in a theoretical conference pool. If it leaves during the 2, 3, or 4 year period, they must start over again in their new conference.
3.Only the coach’s poll would count, and a coach could not vote for his own team.
4.All conferences must have the same number conference members +1 or - 1.
5.All conferences must play at least 80% of games inside their conferences.
6.The regular season games are reduced to 11 games. (Of course if two teams have no bowl they want, they can opt out and play anyone that will play them.)
7.Conference playoffs are eliminated, and a fair across-the-board tiebreaker would be required for each conference.
8. The top four teams play in the traditional bowl games against one another.
9. The other teams play in the other traditional bowls.
10. The two out of the select four winners play in the BCS championship game.
11. The BCS winner could not appear with the AP winner in a co-championship ceremony.
Some traditions would be lost, but the BCS system has already started the destruction.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:19 am to MoreOrLes
Manipulation? What are you suggesting, some sort of conspiracy? No way. NCAA is 100% above board. It is as clean and innocent as a new born. It cares only about the student athlete and the spirit of healthy, honest competition. 
I am sure that the ratings difference between OSU an 'Bama had no influence whatsoever in the final BCS rankings.
I am sure that the ratings difference between OSU an 'Bama had no influence whatsoever in the final BCS rankings.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:26 am to MoreOrLes
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28-17.
I always find it interesting to see people post nothing but touchdowns in their prediction score. Bama has a great defense, we will be kicking some field goals.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 8:45 am to MoreOrLes
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Never before have we ever seen this type of ESPN push to influence a matchup. Ratings cannot be the only reason.
makes me wonder if espn is planning a tide network like they already have with texas.
frick the bcs
frick alabama
frick texas
osu got hosed....but frick them too
hope we win big and just shut everybody the frick up!
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