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re: Non-Ags Opinion
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:19 pm to Moustache
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:19 pm to Moustache
Now that I think about it, A&M really isn't ahead of Nebraska or Tennessee as far as facilities, so that makes it a close call, but A&M does have better access to recruits.
Plus Wisky is coming on strong too.
I think at the end of the day A&M is a top15-20 job.
Plus Wisky is coming on strong too.
I think at the end of the day A&M is a top15-20 job.
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:20 pm to texasaggie08
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The race thing, and the idea of "no one wanting to go to a podunk small town like CS" is completely bogus.
It obviously isn't true, but I'm just telling you how it's perceived.
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Programs in the state of ALABAMA have won the last 2 NC's.
There is a strong presence of black culture in Alabama. CS, not so much. Just saying.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:24 pm to Moustache
I don't want to derail the thread with talk of racism. Let's just call it a tie and move on
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:27 pm to Moustache
We have a new athletic complex and indoor practice facility. We are about to start renovating the stadium and building an athletic village. We'll be spending north of $300M on these.
So the commitment is there and the facilities are about to follow. A&M didn't join the SEC to be Kentucky. We are taking football serious and are starting to act like it.
God I hope on the field results follow
So the commitment is there and the facilities are about to follow. A&M didn't join the SEC to be Kentucky. We are taking football serious and are starting to act like it.
God I hope on the field results follow
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:31 pm to Big Kat
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I don't want to derail the thread with talk of racism. Let's just call it a tie and move o
Fair.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:33 pm to Big Kat
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So the commitment is there and the facilities are about to follow. A&M didn't join the SEC to be Kentucky. We are taking football serious and are starting to act like it.
God I hope on the field results follow
They need to, but I am seriously disappointed in the coaching candidates.
Sumlin shouldn't be even close to allowed to take over a program with A&M's money and recruits.
Strong is the best hire is what I've decided now. Fedora wouldn't be bad, but man he's a gamble never being at a big time program. Stay far away from Smart.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:33 pm to Big Kat
A&M's next hire is absolutely crucial. If the wrong man is hired, it will disasterous to the ags. Sumlin should not be hired, if the aggies want to build a successful program.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:46 pm to Johnnybroxxx
Agree...at this point I'll be surprised if Sumlin is hired. If we were going to the Pac 12 or staying in the Big 12 then he'd make more sense....but I'm a little afraid of him in the SEC.
I'm more than fine saying A&M is top 15...maybe even #15. Fair enough.
I'm more than fine saying A&M is top 15...maybe even #15. Fair enough.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:46 pm to Johnnybroxxx
I agree this hire is important. But I felt the same way in 2002 and 2007. A lot of bad football later and we still aren't dead as a program so maybe I'm being a drama queen.
The more important factor is the commitment from Loftin (the President not the AD). Facilities and money are the most important thing. They'll lead to recruits. We'll plug in our Saban, Tressell, Meyer, Spurrier or Carroll eventually as long as we keep committed to football
The more important factor is the commitment from Loftin (the President not the AD). Facilities and money are the most important thing. They'll lead to recruits. We'll plug in our Saban, Tressell, Meyer, Spurrier or Carroll eventually as long as we keep committed to football
Posted on 12/5/11 at 4:11 pm to Moustache
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Better jobs than A&M?
As far as getting talent and being able to win easily: (no quality of life situation)
UF
FSU
Miami
USC
LSU
Bama
UGA
Auburn
UTexas
OU
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Replace Miami with Oregon. I'd put us on par with GA, UTENN, and Nebraska...Atleast, In a current state
oh and coaching ranks:
1. Strong
2. Ferdora
3. Smart
Sumlin isn't a great choice...
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 4:42 pm to Big Kat
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The more important factor is the commitment from Loftin (the President not the AD). Facilities and money are the most important thing. They'll lead to recruits. We'll plug in our Saban, Tressell, Meyer, Spurrier or Carroll eventually as long as we keep committed to football
I agree with this except the eventually part. I think A&M needs a good hire now. Mack is in a little bit of stress at UT and now is a good time for A&M to gain a little momentum. A&M has lot of potential but needs someone to bring it to a reality.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 4:46 pm to Big Kat
A&M is probably the best opening right now and it helps they moved to the SEC. So it should help recruiting against big brother Texas.
If you guys want a good HC...you should be looking at Charlie Strong.
If you guys want a good HC...you should be looking at Charlie Strong.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 4:53 pm to Big Kat
IMO, outside the top 10:
Probably 15 range.
However, their move to the SEC may change my vote a bit.
Probably 15 range.
However, their move to the SEC may change my vote a bit.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 5:16 pm to Big Kat
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The more important factor is the commitment from Loftin (the President not the AD). Facilities and money are the most important thing. They'll lead to recruits. We'll plug in our Saban, Tressell, Meyer, Spurrier or Carroll eventually as long as we keep committed to football
Actually, the AD has been neutered. And what would Loftin know about hiring a football coach? Who is going to advise him. From the outside, it looks like influential alums are calling the shot. Having a figurehead as an AD is not a strength. I'm guessing that the AD will be canned next. So who should you hire first, the AD or HC? Lotin's priorities should be this: 1. Fire AD. 2. Hire new AD. 3. Let new AD conduct search for new HC. 4. Put a contract on Hunter Goodwin.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 5:59 pm to Big12fan
Current AD is thought to be on his way out but surprisingly is involved in the coach search just not in full control. The BoR, President and AD are all working together.
I'm pleased with their search. They have differing ideas and are interviewing multiple candidates and are even getting interest from some pretty big names that aren't being released publicly
I'm pleased with their search. They have differing ideas and are interviewing multiple candidates and are even getting interest from some pretty big names that aren't being released publicly
Posted on 12/5/11 at 6:12 pm to Big Kat
If anyone doesn't see that the Ags are a potential top 8 program in the country they are living in the past. The way TV works today you can be seen at any program anywhere in the country. You no longer need to go to Nebraska or Michigan to be seen on TV.But as of now, if I was a big time coach, no way in hell would I take that job. You won't be a top 8 program in the SEC and you are damn sure not a top 15 program.
Much better Programs as of now
UT
AU
UA
LSU
USC
UF
FSU
Ohio St.
OU
Miami
Oregon
Michigan
Wisky
UGA
Clemson
Tenn
Vtech
ND
Much better Programs as of now
UT
AU
UA
LSU
USC
UF
FSU
Ohio St.
OU
Miami
Oregon
Michigan
Wisky
UGA
Clemson
Tenn
Vtech
ND
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:49 pm to Big Kat
At this point, the teams below A&M in the SEC would be:
State
Ole Miss
KY
Vandy
You'd have to go below the halfway mark in the Pac 12 & B1G as well.
Sorry, but you need more than great fan support. I would see that job as a certain firing to come.
State
Ole Miss
KY
Vandy
You'd have to go below the halfway mark in the Pac 12 & B1G as well.
Sorry, but you need more than great fan support. I would see that job as a certain firing to come.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:59 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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I would see that job as a certain firing to come.
Sounds a lot like LSU circa 1999. Back then lots of people were saying its a grave yard. After getting rid of McLendon, we didn't have a coach last more than 5 years and fired 4 of the next 5.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 12:11 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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Sounds a lot like LSU circa 1999
Bingo..
Dennis Dodd Article on the Saban hire
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LSU football is a ghost of its former self, having deteriorated from elite program to one that has posted only three winning seasons in the last 11.
There's only a handful of states with more high school football talent than the Louisiana-Texas area: Florida, California, Pennsylvania. There's no more loyal following than the 80,000 who pack Tiger Stadium on Saturday nights. That's why it's hard to figure out what went wrong. The state's best high school players have left the state for better programs. The administration made bad hires. Really, there's no one reason why LSU is no longer a power. It just isn't.
LSU is not unlike a lot of schools with unreasonable expectations and an unbelievable number of assistant coaches disguised as boosters, donors, fans and chancellors.
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Saban was speaking directly to them Tuesday at his introductory press conference.
"We need to pull those things together in terms of support and tradition," he said. "The thing that kills more organizations is the vision from within."
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:30 am to Big Kat
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My question is - where does Texas A&M rank as a HC job? And please list the schools that are a better job
i don't really look at it that way because a lot of that is fluid.
15 years ago Tenn looked like a lot better job than LSU, now its the opposite.
Programs like Texas, Bama, Ohio State are all "better" jobs, but all can have down periods (Texas in the 90's, Bama early 2000's).
A&M has all the ingredients to be a great program: Resources, access to elite talent, all they need is an elite coach and an AD willing to do what it takes, spending on facilities, paying assistants etc.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 12:31 am
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