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re: Any true boxing fans here?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:29 am to Goose
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:29 am to Goose
I think I understand where you're coming from here and what you're trying to say, but I gotta completely disagree with you (re: strategy)
and as far as conditioning goes, if you have to be in "extreme" condition to go 12 rounds in boxing, what kind of condition do you think you have to be in to go 3-5 rounds in mma?
and as far as conditioning goes, if you have to be in "extreme" condition to go 12 rounds in boxing, what kind of condition do you think you have to be in to go 3-5 rounds in mma?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 8:45 am to Rohan2Reed
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what's the most a UFC fighter has ever made in a year? well.. Tito Ortiz is up to $1.4 million thus far in 2011. that's laughable.
GSP makes 4-5 mil per fight. so that x 3 or 4 fights a year.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:18 am to lsu big dawg
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Unlike MMA it takes years to perfect boxing. You just cant jump into it at 15 and become great at it. Boxing is alot of hard work and dedication and most kids these days just dont wanna do the work. Instead MMA is the easier alternative and has become more popular. But to me boxing takes more skill and discipline. Anybody can fight/grapple but not many can stand toe to toe and box.
Congrats on the most ignorant response in this entire thread.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:20 am to lsu big dawg
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Boxing will probably never be the same. The main reason is parents dont steer there kids toward boxing anymore. Unlike MMA it takes years to perfect boxing. You just cant jump into it at 15 and become great at it. Boxing is alot of hard work and dedication and most kids these days just dont wanna do the work. Instead MMA is the easier alternative and has become more popular. But to me boxing takes more skill and discipline. Anybody can fight/grapple but not many can stand toe to toe and box.
agreed. a lot of MMA fighters simply impose their physical will on their opponents. see: Kimbo Slice
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:20 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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GSP makes 4-5 mil per fight. so that x 3 or 4 fights a year.
hahahahahaha... When was the last time GSP fought that many times in a year. 2007
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:27 am to moneybadger
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Boxers would get annihilated by MMA fighters in a fight in a bar or a parking lot somewhere, and it's not even debatable.
Talk about stupidity. I bet you are one of those guys that wears skin tight Affliction T-shirts, gelled up angel wing hair, and orders Malibu & Pineapple
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:28 am to Rohan2Reed
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agreed. a lot of MMA fighters simply impose their physical will on their opponents. see: Kimbo Slice
Maybe I spoke too soon.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:36 am to shutterspeed
from top to bottom, there is more training and devotion that goes into being a professional boxer than being an MMA fighter.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:36 am to The Mick
I love Boxing although Ill admit its down. Too many belts and such. There was a time when everyone knew who the undisputed heavy weight champ was.
That being said Ill never watch MMA. I hate it.
That being said Ill never watch MMA. I hate it.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:56 am to bomber77
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That being said Ill never watch MMA. I hate it.
I don't like it that much either, but I understand why people like it more than boxing. I get the MMA point of view, but in reality all MMA fighters want to fight how it is most comfortable for them, is one form greater than the other?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:04 am to Rohan2Reed
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from top to bottom, there is more training and devotion that goes into being a professional boxer than being an MMA fighter.
Not sure where you come up with this. Most MMA fighters have a base style. It's not uncommon for a BJJ blackbelt to take 8-10 years to earn, for example. You also see a lot of post-collegiate DI wrestlers who have put in at least 8 years (high school + plus college). Then tack on MMA (more or less a comprehensive skill set that covers a variety of disciplines--including boxing). The learning curve is immense.
Unless you're that rare BJ Penn phenom.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:18 pm to Rohan2Reed
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see: Kimbo Slice
You just make yourself look dumber and more ignorant with each and every post. So Kimbo was a great mma fighter because he simply imposed his "physical will" on people?? Omg, Brock and Kimbo are the greatest fighters in the whole world.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:20 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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So Kimbo was a great mma fighter because he simply imposed his "physical will" on people??
when did I say he was a great mma fighter?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:25 pm to shutterspeed
I love boxing, but I can watch a stacked UFC card. What's killing boxing is the corrupt sanctioning bodies (WBO, WBC, WBA, IBF) just look at rankings for each sanctioning body. Now, these promoters are really just bad for boxing. Just look at Bob Arum. He has said before that he doesn't care about the what the fans want. It's sad because I love the sweet science, but the UFC is on the right track. Boxing needs to take a page from what the UFC is doing. They are very good about giving the fans the fights they want to see.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:30 pm to Mattdaddy311
Exactly. I don't think MMA is inherently better than boxing from a pure sport perspective, but it's being marketed better and run by more competent and progressive people right now than is boxing.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:37 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Exactly. I don't think MMA is inherently better than boxing from a pure sport perspective, but it's being marketed better and run by more competent and progressive people right now than is boxing.
Did you plan on responding to my point?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:40 pm to shutterspeed
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Not sure where you come up with this. Most MMA fighters have a base style. It's not uncommon for a BJJ blackbelt to take 8-10 years to earn, for example. You also see a lot of post-collegiate DI wrestlers who have put in at least 8 years (high school + plus college). Then tack on MMA (more or less a comprehensive skill set that covers a variety of disciplines--including boxing). The learning curve is immense.
sorry I'm not quite verse enough on the sport to really have this discussion with you, unless you can provide some more insight. what percentage of professional MMA fighters have 8+ years of training?
I guess my point is it seems it's a lot easier to just throw yourself into the octagon (or whatever y'all call it) and throw down than get in a boxing ring after just a year or two training.
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honestly not trying to flame, just don't know enough about MMA to form an educated opinion. so I attack the culture of it rather than face the facts.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:48 pm to Rohan2Reed
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I guess my point is it seems it's a lot easier to just throw yourself into the octagon (or whatever y'all call it) and throw down than get in a boxing ring after just a year or two training.
At the lower levels, yes, any bum can walk into an octagon. But then again, isn't that the case with boxing also?
I feel confident in stating that most of the fighters you see on television have years of training in SOMETHING (whether it be wrestling, boxing, or some other martial art).
BJJ, by itself, could take a lifetime to master. Now add MMA on top of that and you can imagine the incredible complexity.
As Ray Mercer once said--frick MMA. In boxing you don't gotta worry about elbows, knees, feet, and heads.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:30 pm to shutterspeed
Some of these boxing only/ boxing is superior guys have no clue what they are talking about
Posted on 11/22/11 at 2:26 pm to TunaTigers
quote:It's kind of like boxing styles. Some styles match up better than others.
I don't like it that much either, but I understand why people like it more than boxing. I get the MMA point of view, but in reality all MMA fighters want to fight how it is most comfortable for them, is one form greater than the other?
In the beginning of MMA, it used to be style vs. style. For example, a wrestler vs. a boxer.
Now, everybody trains in everything. The difference now is that fighters will have their main strength, and they try to be as well rounded as possible in other areas. The best fighters are those who have a strength, but are also pretty well-rounded.
For example, Nick Diaz's main strength is his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He's good at submitting people once on the ground. But the problem with that is he isn't a wrestler... so he's not great at taking people down and GETTING the fight to the ground. But, that isn't necessarily a bad thing, because he's become one of the best boxers in the welterweight division. So generally, the people he fights will take HIM down to avoid his boxing.
But, his next fight is against the champion, Georges St-Pierre. GSP has incredible takedowns. He can take anybody down pretty much at will. Nobody can stop him in that regard. And, he's also a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black-belt. He's not as good at submitting people as Diaz, but he has incredible control and is good at passing the guard and maintaining position while landing punches. He's also pretty good on his feet. He's typically an "outside" fighter who likes to jab and move and throw straight punches... that matches up well against Diaz's pin you in a corner and land volume style.
So see, MMA has the match-up strategy like boxing does. "Styles make fights" is probably even more true in MMA than boxing. There are many more variables that can be matched-up.
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