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Player Motivation: Miles v. Saban
Posted on 11/6/11 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 1:20 pm
Your freshman punter has never played in front of 100,000 screaming fans. He's on the road in the biggest game of his life. He is pinned back a the 9 yard line and kicking out of his end zone in the fourth quarter. Alabama smells blood, and you know they're sending the house. A blocked punt or safety means game over. There are a lot of things you could say to your punter, e.g., (1) Watch the ends, they're coming hard; (2) You have two seconds to get the kick off, don't hesitate; (3) Kick away from Maze; (4) You cannot bobble the snap here, son; (5) Concentrate, there's no room for error.
Here is how Miles handles it:
Do you think those words ever came out of Saban's mouth last night? He was raging like a maniac, dressing down players, and just oozing with anxiety about every little thing. And when his bigger, stronger, maybe even better prepared team needed to make big plays, they choked.
There is both a science and an art to coaching. It's not all Xs, Os, and "process." It's emotion, pyschology, and an understanding of the flow of the game. Miles may not be the ultimate scientist, but he has coordinators for that. He is however, one of the best I've seen at getting his players to play hard and to fight through adversity.
Long live Les. Geaux Tigers
Here is how Miles handles it:
quote:
Yes, the punter, an Australian named Brad Wing who Miles likes to stop just before he goes out to kick and give some quick coaching. Such as in the fourth quarter, when LSU was pinned deep on its own 9 and was desperate for a big kick to help hold off Trent Richardson.
“He stopped me and said, ‘go out and have fun,’” Wing said.
With such strategy in his mind, Wing blasted a 73-yard punt.
“It turned out pretty good,” he said with a shrug.
Do you think those words ever came out of Saban's mouth last night? He was raging like a maniac, dressing down players, and just oozing with anxiety about every little thing. And when his bigger, stronger, maybe even better prepared team needed to make big plays, they choked.
There is both a science and an art to coaching. It's not all Xs, Os, and "process." It's emotion, pyschology, and an understanding of the flow of the game. Miles may not be the ultimate scientist, but he has coordinators for that. He is however, one of the best I've seen at getting his players to play hard and to fight through adversity.
Long live Les. Geaux Tigers
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 1:33 pm to The King
Reminiscent of Payton telling Hartley to hit that frickin' Fleur-de-lis. Good stuff.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:17 pm to BallHog
quote:Yep. It's damn good when the good guys win.
Reminiscent of Payton telling Hartley to hit that frickin' Fleur-de-lis. Good stuff.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:19 pm to The King
YEs I noticed that, failure too lose leaves no room for error and when it does happen it gets into your head that you are fricking up majorly.
With Les Miles way his motto seems to be just do the best you can , the rest of the team got your back if you frick up.
With Les Miles way his motto seems to be just do the best you can , the rest of the team got your back if you frick up.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:19 pm to The King
ARE WE INCAPABLE OF ADMITTING THAT PROCESS MATTERS!?!?!
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:23 pm to Doc Fenton
The process for kicking failed
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:24 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:It certainly matters; it's just not all that matters. The poor bammer players seemed like spelling bee champs with IQs through the roof who completely wig out when they realize that it take more than being smart to get by in the world.
ARE WE INCAPABLE OF ADMITTING THAT PROCESS MATTERS!?!?!
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:29 pm to The King
I think Saban is a good technician and probably, one of the best. I also believe his people skills are not only lacking but border on abusive at times. Players can only accomplish so much motivated by fear & derision but a truly great coach can make a kid tackle an oak tree full tilt if he instills the "want to" in him and makes him believe he can do it. I think Les Miles is a "players coach"...they like him, respect him and will do what it takes to win for him.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:33 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
quote:Indeed it did. There was an exchange between Saban and a reporter in the postgame press conference that went something like this:
The process for kicking failed
"Q: Coach, there were some miscues in the kicking game tonight. How confident were you in your kicking game coming into tonight's game?
A: Well, a guy doesn't field a punt, and our kicker missed a few field goals? Was there anything else?"
The reporter didn't have the balls to follow up, but I think I would have said, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
His answer suggests that the kicking game was fine, there were just a couple of players who didn't do what we asked them to do. But isn't that the entire point? Why didn't your all world players step up and make those plays? Was it possibly because they were tight as hell and not having fun? Was it because you zapped all the excitement out of the game in favor of some 19th century-style manufacturing protocol?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:34 pm to NELA LSU Fan
I really can't imagine how a father lets his son play for Nick Saban. It doesn't seem to hurt his recruiting at all, but you have to wonder what's going through a dad's mind when his son chooses to play for a man like that.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:35 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:Well, he's probably thinking that his son will make a shite-ton of money in the NFL.
I really can't imagine how a father lets his son play for Nick Saban. It doesn't seem to hurt his recruiting at all, but you have to wonder what's going through a dad's mind when his son chooses to play for a man like that.
But yeah, I get your point.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:39 pm to The King
Well, there are many players who need a guy like Saban to cure their laziness and get them ready to play in the NFL. If your son happens to fall into that subset, however, it's pretty much an admission that you've failed in your role as a father and that you've raised a spoiled kid who lacks discipline and structure.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:46 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:not all fathers are afraid that their son may get yelled at.
I really can't imagine how a father lets his son play for Nick Saban. It doesn't seem to hurt his recruiting at all, but you have to wonder what's going through a dad's mind when his son chooses to play for a man like that.
neither saban or miles have a wrong style of motivating and coaching. both have been and will continue to be successful. their former players seem to have enjoyed playing for them.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:48 pm to Doc Fenton
Sabah uses process to mask his biggest weakness, His fear of human interaction. Miles relishes emotion and the human factor.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:54 pm to The King
It wasn't like Bama was missing chip shots
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:00 pm to Ford Frenzy
quote:I know, but my point is not just about the kicking game. It's about handling the pressure, and working through adversity. It seems to me that our player took advantage of their opportunities in the game, and Alabama did not. One explanation is just that our players are better. I'm not sure that's right. I think our players were in the right frame of mind to handle the pressure of that game, and to make big plays when necessary.
It wasn't like Bama was missing chip shots
When you're way better than your opponent (and 9 times out of 10, Bama is), just playing sound, fundamental football will win the game. But when you're evenly matched, and everyone is watching, winning takes more than a slavish adherence to fundamentals. It takes creativity and passion. You have to be confident in yourself, and I think you have to be having fun.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:11 pm to bulldogger
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Sabah uses process to mask his biggest weakness, His fear of human interaction. Miles relishes emotion and the human factor.
Nice
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:28 pm to bulldogger
How about Saban's fear of failure? Putting an injured Maze on the field with no regard for his apparent injury? This wasn't the NLF yet Saban pressured his kicker to score from, oh, 70* yards?? (*exaggeration on yardage, NOT on Saban!) Saban is the king of narcissism and when Bama starts to question him, he'll find an NFL team to take him for a year...he's about "makin dat bank", nothing else! We should know!!!
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:31 pm
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