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WVa Writer Says Lee the Better QB

Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:41 am
Posted by Chill Pill
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:41 am
searched and didn't see anything. A very good read -- even some nice comments from Holgorson.

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By Bob Hertzel
For the Times West Virginian Times West Virginian Mon Sep 26, 2011, 05:00 AM EDT

MORGANTOWN — In many ways this is going to be very difficult to believe or accept, for it goes against everything you want to believe, but on Saturday night West Virginia’s Geno Smith, as spectacular as his numbers were, did not outplay LSU quarterback Jarrett Lee.

That may confuse you.

After all, Smith completed 38 passes to just 16 for Lee, more than twice as many, and threw for a school record 463 yards while Lee could not make it to 200, finishing his night’s work at 180 yards.

Seeing that, one may wonder how you can reach such a conclusion. Certainly it’s a fair question, but there is more to quarterbacking than just completing passes and eating up yardage.

In Lee’s case, he had to run the offense, but not necessarily BE the offense.

Smith, on the other hand, is the heartbeat of what WVU does offensively, so everything he does is magnified, so that a bad read or a bad throw is like an imperfection in a gem stone and lowers its value, even if it is a true diamond.

Smith did throw two touchdown passes, but Lee threw three and had another one dropped. Smith threw two interceptions, Lee threw none.

Final score, LSU 47, WVU 21.

Mountaineer coach Dana Holgorsen understood just how efficient Lee was.

“They were two pretty good quarterbacks,” he said in the wake of the defeat. “Geno Smith made some plays but the one thing about Jarrett Lee is that he’s not making any mistakes. Leading into this he was a guy who put the ball where they wanted him to put it. It’s not always what your numbers are. It’s about running the offense and not turning the ball over.”

The truth of the matter is that as Smith was shattering school records for attempts, completions and yardage, he also well may have set the record for passes not completed, something that is seldom recognized.

It is along the lines of what the baseball player Pete Rose used to say when someone complimented him on being the all-time hit king.

“Yeah, but don’t forget, I made more outs than anyone who ever played the game, too.”

Smith’s two interceptions were killers, especially one by safety Tyrann Mathieu on a play just before halftime that should have been a run. Smith had the option of handing the ball off or throwing a pass on the call and he threw it, even though it was in a place where you could not throw an interception, deep in your own territory and trailing already by three TDs with less than 40 seconds to play.

Certainly it was no ordinary play that Mathieu made.

“We were aware (Mathieu) was a great football player,” Holgorsen said after the game. “I felt like he was the best player on the field the first three games and I felt like he was the best player on the field in this game.

“We knew he was going to do that. That’s on Geno. If he thinks he can get it over him, he’s got to get it over him. He was aware that kid was pretty good and when he blitzed he was going straight up the field. It’s something Geno needs to do a better job of.”

Not that two picks, along with a pair of lost fumbles, weren’t enough to make life miserable for the Mountaineers, but the WVU special teams broke down badly, ripping any chance they had at pulling the upset of what is today the nation’s No. 1 team from them.

In truth, this area was as bad as it had been a year earlier under Bill Stewart, allowing a 99-yard kickoff return for a touchdown to snuff out a third-quarter Mountaineer rally that had brought the crowd to life.

Put that together with a dismal punting effort by Corey Smith that kept WVU from getting any field position and the inability of Tavon Austin to catch the punts from LSU, much less return them.

The truth of the matter is, though, the way West Virginia operates, its quarterback has to play at the highest level of efficiency at all times if the Mountaineers are going to beat Top 10 teams and win championships.

Email Bob Hertzel at bhertzel@hotmail.com. Follow on Twitter @bhertzel.


Lee was Better

Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29283 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:44 am to
But Lee can't scramble and throws off his back foot and makes people nervous when he drops back to pass, so he really can't be that good.
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:46 am to
“They were two pretty good quarterbacks,” he said in the wake of the defeat. “Geno Smith made some plays but the one thing about Jarrett Lee is that he’s not making any mistakes. Leading into this he was a guy who put the ball where they wanted him to put it. It’s not always what your numbers are. It’s about running the offense and not turning the ball over.”


Posted by Slickeer
Baltimore, Maryland
Member since Sep 2010
36 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:54 am to
I call a little bs on Hertzel here. Lee was a great field general but if you all had Geno on offense and your defense and special teams, you'd win the NT with more points this year.
Posted by IMATIGERFAN
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2007
1495 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:05 am to
quote:

I call a little bs on Hertzel here. Lee was a great field general but if you all had Geno on offense and your defense and special teams, you'd win the NT with more points this year.


No thanks, I'll take Lee any day over your QB. Lee has never lined up under the guard.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2660 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:08 am to
Bob Hertzel is the Glenn Guilbeau of West Virginia
Posted by Slickeer
Baltimore, Maryland
Member since Sep 2010
36 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:09 am to
potentially cause he spent so long not lining up at all.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:09 am to
Must be racist
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7358 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:09 am to
quote:

I call a little bs on Hertzel here. Lee was a great field general but if you all had Geno on offense and your defense and special teams, you'd win the NT with more points this year.


There is no QB that would put up numbers like Geno does at LSU this year. Miles likes to run the ball and will run the ball.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60591 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:10 am to
quote:

I call a little bs on Hertzel here. Lee was a great field general but if you all had Geno on offense and your defense and special teams, you'd win the NT with more points this year.


We ain't changing our offense for any QB(right or wrong)..we are not hiding weaknesses, we are doing what we do...and as of right now no QB in the country would put up significantly better numbers given the playcalls and the assignments.

Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:12 am to
Jlee has been everything Miles wanted and more.
This football team is gonna be very difficult to beat if he keeps this imporvemtn and confindence up.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:12 am to
I like this guys view.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28097 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:12 am to
this is what wins championships at LSU steady mistake free QB play...
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
9182 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Certainly it was no ordinary play that Mathieu made.


how many times has TM broke up a screen like that in his 17 games as a tiger already? Honey badger takes what he wants
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29283 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:16 am to
quote:

if you all had Geno on offense and your defense and special teams, you'd win the NT with more points this year.


Newsflash for Slickeer: when your defense doesn't give up 40 a game, you don't have to score that many, and, in case you didn't notice, LSU hung 47 on the board Saturday night, which is plenty to win 95 percent of the time even with your defense.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64471 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:23 am to
QB passer ratings for last Saturday's game agree

Smith
comp % 58.46
yards/att 7.12
td % 3.07
int % 3.07
NCAA QB Rating 122.29

Lee
comp % 57.14
yards/att 6.42
td % 10.71
int % 0
NCAA QB Rating 146.5
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30371 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:24 am to
You can tell the staff is gaining confidence in Lee each week. The offense is rounding into form nicely, imo.
Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
3121 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:28 am to
quote:

and throws off his back foot

Lee does do this. I'm sure Krags is working with him every day to step into his throws.
Posted by Bandits
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2008
3170 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Must be racist
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:30 am to
Sometimes throwing off his back foot actually helps him. I don't like seeing it on every pass, but when he throws it deep and has to put some air on it...do what you have to. I mean hell...he can jump and throw off of no feet as long as he keeps his performance up.
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