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re: Both Sides of the Case Will Be Presented to the Grand Jury
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:54 pm to willeteal
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:54 pm to willeteal
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There is no one in EAST BATON ROUGE Parish who thinks LSU will be receiving preferred treatment if the law is followed and this crap is tossed out based on the incredulity of the witnesses.
I live within East Baton Rouge Parish and would think just that. There are witnesses claiming Jefferson savagely kicked a kid while he was on the ground. Whether those witnesses are credible or not should be for the jury to decide. The case shouldn't be thrown out with eye witnesses willing to testify.
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Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:54 pm to RobbBobb
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"He said he didn't know anything about a fight,"
Completely inadmissible.
Hearsay within hearsay.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:54 pm to just me
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quote:quote:His admitting giving false statements to police are definitely relevant When did he do this, either giving it or admitting it? quote:Lowery suffered another injury around 5 a.m. Sept. 4 when he was hit by a Chevrolet Silverado pickup while hitchhiking on Highland Road near Airline Highway, a State Police crash report says.
So it's hearsay, within a hearsay, within a hearsay?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:55 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Whether those witnesses are credible or not should be for the jury to decide. The case shouldn't be thrown out with eye witnesses willing to testify.
You aren't real familiar with the criminal justice system, are you?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:56 pm to USMCTiger03
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So it's hearsay, within a hearsay, within a hearsay?
If it's a verifiable sworn statement, it isn't hearsay and can be used as impeachment evidence.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:58 pm to Jester
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Giving false information on an official police report is not admissible when the case is predicated on that person's statements?
There are always exceptions, but generally you cannot attack the credibility of a witness by using prior acts or conduct. Plus, there would likely be other admissibility problems (hearsay, etc.)
Posted on 9/21/11 at 12:58 pm to RobbBobb
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No one has the market on credibility in this situation. It will go to trial
I highly doubt this.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:01 pm to RobbBobb
I have to admit that I am not 100% clear on the procedure followed in a grand jury.
However, I do know that the quote you just posted is at least triple hearsay. That quote won't be admissible at trial.
Moreover, it's a statement by a father about his son. We don't even know if Jefferson made the statement.
However, I do know that the quote you just posted is at least triple hearsay. That quote won't be admissible at trial.
Moreover, it's a statement by a father about his son. We don't even know if Jefferson made the statement.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:01 pm to USMCTiger03
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There are always exceptions, but generally you cannot attack the credibility of a witness by using prior acts or conduct. Plus, there would likely be other admissibility problems (hearsay, etc.)
Lowery lied from the get-go saying he wasn't at Shady's that night. That he was only there to pick up a friend. That's the story his lawyer has been sticking to since day one.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:02 pm to just me
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As the season moves along, Jefferson's chances of playing again dissolve a little more, but Miles said during on the weekly SEC Coaches teleconference he would welcome Jefferson back.
"Our football team certainly misses a teammate and the opportunity for him to return to the team is something all of us would look forward to," Miles said. "The amount of the lift is stuff to speculate. I can only tell you you'd like to have everybody, your team, back intact.
"I enjoy how Jarrett has continued to compete. The success of our team is due to how strong our quarterback stepped right in and played. I don't know that it's a miss in execution, it's knowing this guy (Jefferson) has been a tremendous contributor for us and at some point in time might return to the team. It certainly would be looked on very favorably."
Last week 18 players signed a statement claiming Jefferson and Johns had nothing to do with the fight, which injured four men. One had three broken vertebrae and another a fractured jaw.
Miles said he was glad the team showed cohesiveness.
"The idea they are committed to their teammate, committed to doing the right thing, I enjoy that piece of our team," he said.
per nola.com
18 players willing to perjure themselves?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:04 pm to just me
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Moreover, it's a statement by a father quoting his son. We don't even know if Jefferson made the statement
But that may not change anything regarding whether or not it is admissible.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:04 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Arrest isn't, conviction or guilty plea is. Of course, we don't know the details so it's impossible to know the effect (i.e., what he stole, why, and any mitigating factors).
Prior arrest for theft
quote:Not sure exactly what you're referring to so hard to say.
Conflicting statements on PR, Police/DA interviews
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:05 pm to just me
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It's unusual circumstances, but no aspect of this matter has followed the standard operating procedure.
How can that be, when all Mr. Unglesby has said repeatedly is that his client should be treated like anyone else accused of a crime in EBR Parish?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:05 pm to JBeam
anyone think some of these witnesses change their stories when its their arse on the line?
somebody beat the shite out of those 4... im curious why we still dont know who. Lots of lying going on. I want to see who flips on the stand.
somebody beat the shite out of those 4... im curious why we still dont know who. Lots of lying going on. I want to see who flips on the stand.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:08 pm to RobbBobb
quote:That reeks of hearsay but may be used if John is on the stand, but I wouldn't think against JJ himself.
Its going to trial. The minute JJ opens his mouth to the GJ, the following will be introduced: quote:John Jefferson said he was first alerted to the matter this morning when LSU Coach Les Miles' office called because it could not reach Jordan by phone. Jefferson called Jordan, who was sleeping but returned the call 30 minutes later, John Jefferson said. "He said he didn't know anything about a fight," John Jefferson said. "He told me 'I've been here four years, and I know it ain't worth it. When I see something going down, I leave. I have too much to lose for that.' " No one has the market on credibility in this situation. It will go to trial
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:09 pm to BobBoucher
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anyone think some of these witnesses change their stories when its their arse on the line?
somebody beat the shite out of those 4... im curious why we still dont know who. Lots of lying going on. I want to see who flips on the stand.
you mean the witnesses who support lowery?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:11 pm to Commando
quote:Come on. Read the quote and your post.
How can that be, when all Mr. Unglesby has said repeatedly is that his client should be treated like anyone else accused of a crime in EBR Parish?
Of course, Unglesby and Jefferson want this case to be treated like any other case.
It's not Unglesby or Jefferson who dragged out the investigation. It's not Unglesby or Jefferson who asked for DNA tests on 49 pairs of shoes. It's not Unglesby or Jefferson who sent this matter to the grand jury instead of nolle prossing it.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:12 pm to BobBoucher
quote:Who do you think is going to flip?
anyone think some of these witnesses change their stories when its their arse on the line?
somebody beat the shite out of those 4... im curious why we still dont know who. Lots of lying going on. I want to see who flips on the stand.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:12 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:The article just says report, which is hearsay and inadmissible. But again, even if it was a sworn statement, its usefulness as a prior act to attack his credibility is tenuous.
If it's a verifiable sworn statement, it isn't hearsay and can be used as impeachment evidence.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:16 pm to RobbBobb
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Its going to trial. The minute JJ opens his mouth to the GJ, the following will be introduced:
quote:
John Jefferson said he was first alerted to the matter this morning when LSU Coach Les Miles' office called because it could not reach Jordan by phone. Jefferson called Jordan, who was sleeping but returned the call 30 minutes later, John Jefferson said.
"He said he didn't know anything about a fight," John Jefferson said. "He told me 'I've been here four years, and I know it ain't worth it. When I see something going down, I leave. I have too much to lose for that.' "
No one has the market on credibility in this situation. It will go to trial
what he said to his father and what his father said to the media has no bearing on anything. doesn't work that way.
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