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25 Answers And Rants On SEC Expansion
Posted on 9/20/11 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/20/11 at 8:45 am
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19. So what should the SEC do now?
If MrSEC.com were running the Southeastern Conference, we’d start working on Florida State right now. FSU offers no new television markets and no new recruiting ground, but the Seminoles do offer one of the biggest brand names in college sports. Think Penn State, Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma. Florida State is considered a big dog. Networks would pay good money to add that kind of drawing power to their package.
If the SEC can land FSU, it should stand pat. Texas A&M would bring an enormous new state, new television markets, eight million cable households and fertile recruiting ground. Florida State would bring name value as good as any program in the country. If you want to argue this one, forget it. There is no logical argument against this combination. From a business perspective, there’s not an administrator in the SEC who wouldn’t consider this a dream scenario.
Another dream scenario — though we consider it to be a pipedream scenario — would be adding North Carolina to Texas A&M. UNC is a great school and it would bring in the entire state of North Carolina in terms of television markets, population base, recruiting ground, etc. Several people around the SEC believe Carolina is Slive’s ultimate target. If he could pull such a move off, it would qualify as just the type of home run “get” we mentioned earlier.
If we couldn’t land FSU or UNC, we’d make a strong push for Virginia Tech. Just substitute Virginia’s TV markets, population base and recruiting ground for North Carolina’s. A no-brainer if Slive could lure Tech away from the University of Virginia and a league the Hokies fought for 40 years to get into.
If the SEC were unable to grab any of those valuable ACC schools, then the league would probably need to turn to a combo of A&M, Missouri, Kansas and West Virginia. That would be four new states, three new AAU schools, three solid football programs, four solid — and one legendary – basketball programs, as well as a handful of new Top 50 television markets.
That’s what we would do. In order. From a business perspective.
19. So what should the SEC do now?
If MrSEC.com were running the Southeastern Conference, we’d start working on Florida State right now. FSU offers no new television markets and no new recruiting ground, but the Seminoles do offer one of the biggest brand names in college sports. Think Penn State, Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma. Florida State is considered a big dog. Networks would pay good money to add that kind of drawing power to their package.
If the SEC can land FSU, it should stand pat. Texas A&M would bring an enormous new state, new television markets, eight million cable households and fertile recruiting ground. Florida State would bring name value as good as any program in the country. If you want to argue this one, forget it. There is no logical argument against this combination. From a business perspective, there’s not an administrator in the SEC who wouldn’t consider this a dream scenario.
Another dream scenario — though we consider it to be a pipedream scenario — would be adding North Carolina to Texas A&M. UNC is a great school and it would bring in the entire state of North Carolina in terms of television markets, population base, recruiting ground, etc. Several people around the SEC believe Carolina is Slive’s ultimate target. If he could pull such a move off, it would qualify as just the type of home run “get” we mentioned earlier.
If we couldn’t land FSU or UNC, we’d make a strong push for Virginia Tech. Just substitute Virginia’s TV markets, population base and recruiting ground for North Carolina’s. A no-brainer if Slive could lure Tech away from the University of Virginia and a league the Hokies fought for 40 years to get into.
If the SEC were unable to grab any of those valuable ACC schools, then the league would probably need to turn to a combo of A&M, Missouri, Kansas and West Virginia. That would be four new states, three new AAU schools, three solid football programs, four solid — and one legendary – basketball programs, as well as a handful of new Top 50 television markets.
That’s what we would do. In order. From a business perspective.
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:35 am to Duckie
Mr SEC gets it. We (the SEC) are winning title after title but need to now convert the on the field success to $$ to sustain this success.
We are not #1 with regards to television contract money per institution--> new, bigger TV markets bring $$.
We are not #1 with regards to television contract money per institution--> new, bigger TV markets bring $$.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:39 am to SwatMitchell
They've probably been the most on point site this entire realignment process.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:39 am to SwatMitchell
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We are not #1 with regards to television contract money per institution--> new, bigger TV markets bring $$.
And the SEC probably never will be the biggest on this front. The B1G will probably always be in the forefront for $$$. The PAC-## will probably be second. What we do have are:
1. The best attendance figures for games.
2. The best recruiting grounds.
3. The best set of coaches.
$. The biggest group of eclectic fans.
What we need to focus on are:
1. Making sure that accepting new members do not diminish the things we have (Items 1-4 above - Texas A&M passed with flying colors on this test).
2. Adding TV markets and recuiting bases pushes the ACC, B1G, and Pac-## farther away from our borders.
3. Keeping the on the field product in football the closest thing to the NFL in the NCAA.
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:40 am to Duckie
Good read
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:45 am to Wolf Shirt
INTERESTING
If current SEC partner ESPN balks at forking over more dough to the SEC and fails to make a good-faith offer, Slive could conceivably — depending on his contract with CBS — take the SEC’s inventory to NBC to see what that network might offer for it.
If current SEC partner ESPN balks at forking over more dough to the SEC and fails to make a good-faith offer, Slive could conceivably — depending on his contract with CBS — take the SEC’s inventory to NBC to see what that network might offer for it.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:50 am to Tigersomething
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And the SEC probably never will be the biggest on this front. The B1G will probably always be in the forefront for $$$. The PAC-## will probably be second. What we do have are:
1. The best attendance figures for games.
2. The best recruiting grounds.
3. The best set of coaches.
$. The biggest group of eclectic fans.
What we need to focus on are:
1. Making sure that accepting new members do not diminish the things we have (Items 1-4 above - Texas A&M passed with flying colors on this test).
2. Adding TV markets and recuiting bases pushes the ACC, B1G, and Pac-## farther away from our borders.
3. Keeping the on the field product in football the closest thing to the NFL in the NCAA.
Exactly their point.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:58 am to nicholastiger
quote:or Fox. Fox Sports is the only entity actively competing with ESPN. They have the size to pull it off.
take the SEC’s inventory to NBC to see what that network might offer for it.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 9:59 am to Duckie
Long (all 25, not just #19) but good. Should be required reading for anyone posting on this board.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:03 am to Chicken
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or Fox. Fox Sports is the only entity actively competing with ESPN. They have the size to pull it off.
They would need a LOT of improvements to that network to make it work and their parent company FOX would have to show some games.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:10 am to EWE TIGER
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Long (all 25, not just #19) but good. Should be required reading for anyone posting on this board.
True. A lot of it makes sense.
ETA: Best post so far in regards to the SEC side of the expansion.
This post was edited on 9/20/11 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:12 am to Duckie
How does anyone expect the SEC to just take their deal to NBC or CBS? Adding teams does not make the current deal null and void. That is why there were escalators negotiated into the deal at the time of signing.
The mere fact that we are hearing out the desire to renegotiate should be telling. That implies that the escalators are not substantial and more than likely in the networks favor. Why would they then decide to let the SEC out of a long term deal in which at best they are bidding against multiple competitors that will drive up their current price?
As far as the Mr. SEC peice... He just just admitted that if the ACC is shut off then the viable options are less than stellar. That is the entire problem with expansion at this point. The big names that would make it viable to force a renegotiation are not coming to the SEC. At that point expanding to expand is not a good business decision.
The mere fact that we are hearing out the desire to renegotiate should be telling. That implies that the escalators are not substantial and more than likely in the networks favor. Why would they then decide to let the SEC out of a long term deal in which at best they are bidding against multiple competitors that will drive up their current price?
As far as the Mr. SEC peice... He just just admitted that if the ACC is shut off then the viable options are less than stellar. That is the entire problem with expansion at this point. The big names that would make it viable to force a renegotiation are not coming to the SEC. At that point expanding to expand is not a good business decision.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:24 am to laxtonto
Which is why I believe the SEC stops at 13 for now.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:27 am to Bubba Hotep
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Which is why I believe the SEC stops at 13 for now.
Hell if the Big Ten did it at 11 teams I'm sure the SEC would do just fine with 13 teams. Mizzou would be a fool if they joined the SEC. I looked at the Map of Big Ten towns and SEC towns, traveling would be A LOT easier if Mizzou went to the BIG, hope the BIG takes them. Joining the SEC would still be the same as traveling from Columbia to College Station, Austin, Lubbock, etc. Not worth it.
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Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:31 am to Tigersomething
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And the SEC probably never will be the biggest on this front. The B1G will probably always be in the forefront for $$$. The PAC-## will probably be second.
It certainly holds true for now but it depends on what happens with demographic trends.
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Short version - The upper midwest / rust belt states containing Big Ten schools are shrinking as a percentage of the US population.
The SEC and Pac Ten have most of the states gaining population at the expense of the Big Ten states.
Adding Florida State to go with A&M would position the SEC well for the future, but adding Kansas, Missouri, and West Virginia could also have a huge effect by bringing in roughly 11 million people across three markets. (Florida consists of nearly 19 million people right now and U. of Florida pulls a good chunk of them, but not as many as them and Florida State combined.)
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:34 am to laxtonto
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As far as the Mr. SEC peice... He just just admitted that if the ACC is shut off then the viable options are less than stellar. That is the entire problem with expansion at this point. The big names that would make it viable to force a renegotiation are not coming to the SEC. At that point expanding to expand is not a good business decision.
Agreed. He basically says that it's Fsu, VaTech, or bust.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:38 am to Duckie
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Agreed. He basically says that it's Fsu, VaTech, or bust.
which is what i fully expect
Posted on 9/20/11 at 10:59 am to Duckie
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Agreed. He basically says that it's Fsu, VaTech, or bust.
If you are one of these schools, why would you want to stay in a basketball conference? The big east is a basketball conference and we all see how that is working out.
These schools are making conference decisions that will effect their programs for years to come. Football is where the money is, and what the decisions are being based on. If you are a football school it would make sense to be in a football conference.
And I don't buy the easy path argument, b/c the last time the ACC had a team in the NC game was the 2002 season and it wasn't either of the teams listed above. Also, these two teams are a combined 2-9 in BCS bowls. Weak competition and an easy path does not make a champion.
I do agree that if the SEC can't get one of these two, they need to take a step back. Hopefully Slive is doing some good work behind the scenes.
Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:23 am to EWE TIGER
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If you are one of these schools, why would you want to stay in a basketball conference? The big east is a basketball conference and we all see how that is working out.
If FSU ever wants to be in the national championship race every year, they must move to the SEC. That will not happen in the ACC
Posted on 9/20/11 at 11:28 am to Duckie
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If FSU ever wants to be in the national championship race every year, they must move to the SEC. That will not happen in the ACC
this is absurd, and is completely arse backwards.
its much easier to compete in the ACC than the SEC, FSU has a MUCH MUCH better chance of being undefeated or 1 loss in the ACC. They have been shite lately because bobby bowden's arse couldnt recruit anymore and that is clearly not the problem now.
if FSU's main concern is competing for a national championship - and i am not saying it is - but if it is, then the ACC is head and shoulders the place to be.
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