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Texas is Scared of the SEC - new outkickthecoverage article -tells it like it is
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:02 am
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Texas, who received an offer to join the SEC last year, hasn't explored the SEC at all even as the very foundation of the Big 12 is rocked.
Why?
Because unlike their Texas A&M brethren the Longhorns are steers, gelded pansies afraid of competing in a real conference. The Longhorns, plain and simple, are bullies, and bullies don't like to be challenged. Instead of joining the conference they border replete with ready national rivalries, Texas would rather fly over the SEC and join the ACC, conference of perennial football lightweights.
All hat no cattle indeed.
I told y'all that Texas was afraid of the SEC last year and Longhorn fans inundated me with worthless reasons why their beloved Texas team didn't want to join the SEC. All of those reasons were crap, the yellow rose of Texas meets the yellow panties of Texas.
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:05 am to SportzBlogger1
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the yellow rose of Texas meets the yellow panties of Texas
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:25 am to hoginthesw
Dr. Drunkystain in 6, 5, 4, 3 ...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:27 am to Smoke Ring
Insert Texas doesn't want to be in bed with lowly academic schools bull crap statement that has no merit.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:37 am to hoginthesw
It has been very clear from the very beginning that Texas is not going to the SEC. It is also very clear that the SEC values Texas a whole lot more than A&M (I know.. DUH). All of this rant about Texas being scared is just that, a rant. Why would UT go to the SEC when they have for a long time said they have no interest.
Does that make Bama scared for not wanting to go to the ACC? Is Arkansas scared when they turned down the Big 12 earlier this year? There is no such thing is "scared" when dealing with large scale entities like universities and colleges. The problem is that some schools value some things more than others. I am not sure UT values competition and the fan experience as much as they do collaborative research, the chance to be in the upper echelon of the conference with not a lot of work and the ability to grow their brand through the control of their own media.
That is not being scared, that is just business. Until people accept that almost all of these decisions are being made based on an underlying set of values and long term plans and goals and not because we just want good football the better.
Texas going to the ACC and OU to the Pac-12 is by far the worst potential outcome for the SEC. If the ACC becomes stable then where do teams 14 and then potentially 15 and 16 come from that provides enough of a market that the addition actually provides value instead of dilutes the payout per team?
This in effect leaves Missouri, WV and then the likes of TCU/SMU (DFW market which OU/UT would provide) as options for #14. That is no where as glamorous as FSU or VT and in effect the A&M addition just ends up hurting the SEC.
The B1G still has the potential of ND and snagging Pitt or others from the BE or KU or ISU from the Big 12 to continue to build. Those aren't great options (outside of finally landing ND) but are much better for fit than the potential SEC choices if the ACC is not in play.
Does that make Bama scared for not wanting to go to the ACC? Is Arkansas scared when they turned down the Big 12 earlier this year? There is no such thing is "scared" when dealing with large scale entities like universities and colleges. The problem is that some schools value some things more than others. I am not sure UT values competition and the fan experience as much as they do collaborative research, the chance to be in the upper echelon of the conference with not a lot of work and the ability to grow their brand through the control of their own media.
That is not being scared, that is just business. Until people accept that almost all of these decisions are being made based on an underlying set of values and long term plans and goals and not because we just want good football the better.
Texas going to the ACC and OU to the Pac-12 is by far the worst potential outcome for the SEC. If the ACC becomes stable then where do teams 14 and then potentially 15 and 16 come from that provides enough of a market that the addition actually provides value instead of dilutes the payout per team?
This in effect leaves Missouri, WV and then the likes of TCU/SMU (DFW market which OU/UT would provide) as options for #14. That is no where as glamorous as FSU or VT and in effect the A&M addition just ends up hurting the SEC.
The B1G still has the potential of ND and snagging Pitt or others from the BE or KU or ISU from the Big 12 to continue to build. Those aren't great options (outside of finally landing ND) but are much better for fit than the potential SEC choices if the ACC is not in play.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 11:55 am to laxtonto
texas would not dominate in the sec in football thats why they are scarred. 
Posted on 9/14/11 at 12:34 pm to laxtonto
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Why would UT go to the SEC when they have for a long time said they have no interest.
I think this is the EXACT point. Why? You give no solid reasoning here. Most big colleges have great research programs and or projects going on. If the ACC is that great then why don't we all join? Bowden didn't want to join the SEC because he didn't want to lose 3 games a year and wanted to compete for a NC, and he stated this publicly.
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Texas going to the ACC and OU to the Pac-12 is by far the worst potential outcome for the SEC. If the ACC becomes stable then where do teams 14 and then potentially 15 and 16 come from that provides enough of a market that the addition actually provides value instead of dilutes the payout per team?
WTF? The SEC is the best, and financially strongest...Texas is running just like Bowden did. You really didn't back up any of your argument.
BAMA and Arkansas don't want to leave the SEC because it's the premier football conference in the land...FYI, you can be in the SEC and still have academic prowess as well...It's called multitasking.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 12:54 pm to SportzBlogger1
Our ownership of Arkansas in the SWC aside, UT has held its own against the SEC over the years in all sports. Certainly way better than a&m.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:02 pm to SportzBlogger1
I completely agree Texas wants no part of a conference where it is not the big dog in its division, but Travis is overlooking a crucial ingredient: aTm does not want Texas in the SEC. aTm is coming to the SEC to get away from Texas. aTm admins will be pissed as hell if they went through all that trouble just to be in a much tougher conference and still have to deal with UT.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:07 pm to Monticello
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I completely agree Texas wants no part of a conference where it is not the big dog in its division
Really? Texas wants to keep the Big 12 together. For the last decade OU has won the division more often than Texas and could be considered the top dog.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:16 pm to LSUisjustOK
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Really? Texas wants to keep the Big 12 together. For the last decade OU has won the division more often than Texas and could be considered the top dog.
I'm talking about in financial clout. What Texas wants, Texas gets in the Big 12. That would never happen in the SEC where you have 6 other teams who can throw their weight around just as easily.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:16 pm to gotygers
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texas would not dominate in the sec in football thats why they are scarred.
they don't dominate in the big 12 either. hell, oklahoma's success rate far exceeds texas in just about any era you want to compare.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:22 pm to LSUisjustOK
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For the last decade OU has won the division more often than Texas and could be considered the top dog.
Yes, you are right. OU has owned Texas and the Big 12 over the last decade but the point remains that UT would never WANT to go to a conference with more football competition than the Big 12. Being just okay in a mediocre conference is good with Longhorns as long as they get money for blocking their own fans from the Rice game. Now go have fun wearing your orange and booing your team. Leave the conferences who actually care about football to themselves.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:28 pm to TejasHorn
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Our ownership of Arkansas in the SWC aside, UT has held its own against the SEC over the years in all sports. Certainly way better than a&m.
Except those wins most came in bowls or the occasional OOC game. If Texas joined the SEC they'd play tough SEC defenses every week.
That's a far different animal. Plus, Texas has made no bones about being opposed to a conference championship game. They may have to bend on that one.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:29 pm to Gunner
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OU has owned Texas
That's not true...at all.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:31 pm to Monticello
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I'm talking about in financial clout
Texas is the second largest university in the nation, it will have some financial clout wherever it ends up.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:33 pm to LSUisjustOK
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For the last decade OU has won the division more often than Texas
You said it
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:38 pm to Gunner
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You said it
Yes, but several of times OU won the division, Texas beat OU in the head to head game.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:41 pm to LSUisjustOK
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For the last decade OU has won the division more often than Texas and could be considered the top dog.
Sooo...UT is the "top dog" or is it OU?
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:45 pm to Gunner
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Sooo...UT is the "top dog" or is it OU?
I'm going to spell this out very slowly for you.
The person I responded to said Texas wouldn't want to be in a division with real competition.
I said OU has won the current division more than UT so that assessment makes no sense in light of Texas trying to keep the Big 12 together.
You then say that OU has owned Texas when Texas is 7-8 against OU since the formation of the Big 12. That is pretty even.
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