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What the aggie posters said wouldn't happen, is happening
Posted on 9/4/11 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 2:51 pm
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Legislators and statewide office holders have swung into high-pressure mode to get Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds to slow down any decision that might involve the Longhorns joining the Pac-12, multiple sources said Sunday.
With reports surfacing that Oklahoma is all but ready to commit to the Pac-12, Texas lawmakers are so concerned about the Longhorns possibly following suit that a full-court press is being made to slow things down by elected officials and corporate CEOs with influence, sources said. "We don't want any hasty decision being made that hasn't been well thought out," one lawmaker told Orangebloods.com on Sunday.
Sources said the reason lawmakers are hot is that they received assurances from the Big 12, including Powers, that the Big 12 would survive without Texas A&M. And because of those assurances, lawmakers did not take an aggressive stand against Texas A&M withdrawing from the Big 12. But that may be changing. Sources said members of the Legislature are or will be reaching out to Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin to tell him the Aggies may no longer have the blessing of lawmakers to leave the Big 12, especially if it looks like the Big 12 will collapse.
According to sources close to Texas A&M, there is expected to be more movement involving the Aggies and the Southeastern Conference Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. Sources say statewide office holders such as lieutenant governor David Dewhurst and Texas House Speaker Joe Straus haven't been active on realignment up to this point but now are getting involved. A source in the Big 12 says there is also an increasing likelihood of litigation against the Southeastern Conference as well as the Pac-12 if the Big 12 comes apart. In other words, it's about to get messy.
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Posted on 9/4/11 at 2:56 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Let me guess, this is the handiwork of Chip Brown?
There are other reports that say this is patently false.
Your title asks as if this is fact, not opinion or rumor.
There are other reports that say this is patently false.
Your title asks as if this is fact, not opinion or rumor.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:02 pm to Clydep
Chip Brown has a 50/50 hit rate but this makes sense.....I always expected the politicians to make a lot of noise and now they are getting fired up since it looks like OU will destroy the Big 12.
I want aggie to go to the SEC and Texas to go to the Big 10 (my preference) or Pac 16 or independent - anything but stay in the Big 12. Still, this drama has some more acts yet......
I want aggie to go to the SEC and Texas to go to the Big 10 (my preference) or Pac 16 or independent - anything but stay in the Big 12. Still, this drama has some more acts yet......
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:11 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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...since it looks like OU will destroy the Big 12
First off, OU didn't destroy the Big 12, UT did.
Second, if the Big 12 dies, then Texas A&M is free to pursue the best available opportunity for them. Without paying exit fees.
Third, there won't be any litigation against either the SEC or the Pac 12 if there isn't a Big 12 conference left to litigate. Which looks increasingly likely.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:16 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Texa decided to put their foot on the hot plate and now they want someone else to rub the ointment on it
fricking pathetic
I never liked or disliked the horns but ya'll look like fools with all this "foolishness"
fricking pathetic
I never liked or disliked the horns but ya'll look like fools with all this "foolishness"
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:23 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
chip brown at it again...
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:26 pm to 1999
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Second, if the Big 12 dies, then Texas A&M is free to pursue the best available opportunity for them. Without paying exit fees.
I think you are missing the point.....A&M might not be allowed to leave.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:26 pm to 1999
nice chess move by OU and UT though. float rumors through the media you are going to the Pac 12, then get the lawmakers all riled up and try to scare aTm into staying in the big 12.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:31 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Please explain what exactly the legislature can do. Cut PUF? How would they even convene? They aren't in session again until 2013.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:34 pm to 1999
I hadn't considered that possibility. I assumed the legislative mess was all about Baylor's pull with the politicians, despite being a private school.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:34 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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I think you are missing the point.....A&M might not have a conference to leave.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:39 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Please explain what exactly the legislature can do. Cut PUF? How would they even convene? They aren't in session again until 2013.
I really don't know what they could/would do. I've always wondered, going back to when the SWC broke up and political threats were made then.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:46 pm to Clydep
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Please explain what exactly the legislature can do. Cut PUF? How would they even convene? They aren't in session again until 2013.
Right now they can't do anything.
Unlike other states, the Texas Constitution does not grant the Legislature to call itself into session. Only the Governor can and he won't do it because 1) he's an Aggie and 2) he's too busy running for POTUS.
Also PUF is far less of a percentage of total income than many think. The majority of revenue comes from 1) tuition and fees (which the Legislature deregulated some years back), 2) donations (which the Legislature can't do anything about), and 3) research grants and contracts (see 2).
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:48 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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I always expected the politicians to make a lot of noise
they will always make a lot of noise, but there is little they can do to stop it legally. Their big weapon is to with hold funding, how long cold you seriously see that happening?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:50 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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heddy Lamarr - TexAgs poster
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Civic 101
- Any action by the Leg requires Gov signature or override in the Leg
- Gov has line item veto and has used it to punish legislators that act up with stupid things like trying to hurt Texas A&M.
- Any ahole that sponsors legislation that hurts A&M will see line item vetoes in funding for his district.
- Ogden, Naval Academy/Texas A&M grad is chair of Senate Finance.
Texas A&M is insulated from any action/retribution by politcos in Texas
This true?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 3:58 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Any action by the Leg requires Gov signature or override in the Leg
True. However, if the Legislature adjourns and the Gov then vetoes, since the Legislature cannot call itself back into session, the veto essentially is the end of that bill. Any veto override takes 2/3rds of both chambers.
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Gov has line item veto and has used it to punish legislators that act up with stupid things like trying to hurt Texas A&M
Partially true, see above. However, the only way he could punish a legislator is if the bill provides enough specifics to identify an appropriation as benefitting a particular legislator.
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Any ahole that sponsors legislation that hurts A&M will see line item vetoes in funding for his district
Maybe or maybe not, see above.
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Ogden, Naval Academy/Texas A&M grad is chair of Senate Finance
True, plus he also represents the Senate district which includes A&M.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 4:09 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
Oh, Texas. Take some fricking responsibility for your own fricking actions and stop whining so goddamned much about A&M. Yes, that's a lot of profanity, but I'm fricking sick of it. If Texas is such hot shite who has all of these options or has such a national brand they can be independent... then act like it.
God, quite your sniveling and act like you have an ounce of self-respect. Or even the intellectual honesty to follow that "universities should do what's best for them and no one else" line you've been peddling for a year to justify why Texas doesn't owe anyone in the Big 12 anything. that's fine, but then don't go whining when other schools act in THEIR self-interest.
Oklahoma has free will and can do what they want. And apparently, what they want is to jump off this sinking ship.
Did Texas solely kill the Big 12? Of course not. But to pretend they are some innocent party is the height of absurdity. They've been riding roughshod over the other members, and its costing them. This late plea to position Texas as the victim is not just a little pathetic. Stop it. I mean, at least the old Texas line was Machiavellian. sure, you came off a bit like sociopaths, but you were smart and capable sociopaths.
God, quite your sniveling and act like you have an ounce of self-respect. Or even the intellectual honesty to follow that "universities should do what's best for them and no one else" line you've been peddling for a year to justify why Texas doesn't owe anyone in the Big 12 anything. that's fine, but then don't go whining when other schools act in THEIR self-interest.
Oklahoma has free will and can do what they want. And apparently, what they want is to jump off this sinking ship.
Did Texas solely kill the Big 12? Of course not. But to pretend they are some innocent party is the height of absurdity. They've been riding roughshod over the other members, and its costing them. This late plea to position Texas as the victim is not just a little pathetic. Stop it. I mean, at least the old Texas line was Machiavellian. sure, you came off a bit like sociopaths, but you were smart and capable sociopaths.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 4:10 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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I think you are missing the point.....A&M might not be allowed to leave.
Governor of Texas wants to secede from the country, but A&M can't leave Big-12 ?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 4:12 pm to charlieg14
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Governor of Texas wants to secede from the country, but A&M can't leave Big-12
spot on
Posted on 9/4/11 at 4:32 pm to Baloo
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Take some fricking responsibility for your own fricking actions and stop whining so goddamned much about A&M. Yes, that's a lot of profanity, but I'm fricking sick of it
?????
Every Horn alum/fan knows LHN was the straw that broke aggies back and sent them to the SEC. As for this thread, if I am whining at all, it is because I want aggie to go to the SEC and Texas to the Big 10 and I don't want the politicians to f that up.
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Or even the intellectual honesty to follow that "universities should do what's best for them and no one else" line you've been peddling for a year to justify why Texas doesn't owe anyone in the Big 12 anything. that's fine, but then don't go whining when other schools act in THEIR self-interest.
I think the aggie posters around here that I've had conversations with will back me up when I state that I have always wanted A&M to go to the SEC. I didn't always think it was politically possible but I wanted A&M and Texas separated for good.
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Did Texas solely kill the Big 12? Of course not. But to pretend they are some innocent party is the height of absurdity.
The LHN freaked everyone out, no doubt. Texas had a lot to do with the Big 12 going away.
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