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Can someone give me a summary of why the SWC died?
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:29 am
I have seen many people over the last few weeks state that the SWC died because of the University of Texas. Can someone summarize what is meant by that? Thanks.
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Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:31 am to WikiTiger
Texas has to run the show. Frank Broyles had enough. Arkansas left.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:37 am to woopiginaustin
Also, rampant cheating played a large part. SMU had the death penalty and most of the other programs were pointing fingers at each other.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:42 am to woopiginaustin
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Texas has to run the show.
what specifically were they doing that caused Broyles to have enough and take his ball and go home? (FWIW, I hate Texas, but I want to at least learn the specifics beyond comments like "Texas has to run the show," which is all I seem to see posted around here.)
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:43 am to WikiTiger
Texas had to rule. Arkansas left. It was an all Texas conference, thus little to no interest to anyone outside of Texas.
It's no coincidence that once again another conference will die due to Texas AND another school leaving. common factor - Tejas.
It's no coincidence that once again another conference will die due to Texas AND another school leaving. common factor - Tejas.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:45 am to WikiTiger
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:45 am to GerryDiNardo
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Also, rampant cheating played a large part. SMU had the death penalty and most of the other programs were pointing fingers at each other.
someone else can verify this, but i'm pretty sure that Arkansas was the only SWC school that wasn't caught cheating. The only non Texas school.
Also, it was set up that arkansas refs could never officiate our games. I believe. I could be wrong on that.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:45 am to WikiTiger
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the SWC died because of the University of Texas
Texas has become a conveninent whipping boy.
The conference died because a league with 8 Texas teams was not really viable long term and all the scandals, peaking with SMU getting the death penalty.
I do wonder why the 4 outcasts didn't try and add teams and keep it going as a minor confernce rather than joing the other 2nd tier conferences.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:47 am to hoginthesw
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someone else can verify this, but i'm pretty sure that Arkansas was the only SWC school that wasn't caught cheating. The only non Texas school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Conference#Final_years
Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the final years of the conference. Looks like Arky, Baylor and Rice were the only schools to avoid probation in the 1980's.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:48 am to WikiTiger
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what specifically were they doing that caused Broyles to have enough and take his ball and go home?
they probably wanted something different than Arkansas, so now Arky fans just blame them.
Nebraska's beef's were the moving of the Big 8 offices from KC to Dallas, somehow Texas "strongarmed" 6 other teams into voting for the move. NU also didn't seem to mind the unequal V revenue in the 90's when they were on TV all the time, but after they fell off and UT and OU were getting the bulk of the $$$ they didn't like it so much.
ETA: IMO a lot of the "its Texas' fault" is jealousy.
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 10:49 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:49 am to 870Hog
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Once there was a happy place called the SWC. Then One day the SWC was threatened by a evil force, the Saddam Hussian of College football, the SEC. One group of money loving NON-Texans caved in and joined the evil force. Forsaking all of their other friends.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:53 am to H-Town Tiger
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hey probably wanted something different than Arkansas, so now Arky fans just blame them.
Yes. that's exactly what happened. They wanted to kick us out so that they could form the Big 12 and bring in the all mighty Iowa State and Kansas; which formed AFTER we left the SWC.
We left seeing the writing on the wall. FB knew that we would NOT be invited to join whatever new conference might for (the future big120 due to texas politics. (hello baylor), therefore we got out.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:00 am to H-Town Tiger
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I do wonder why the 4 outcasts didn't try and add teams and keep it going as a minor confernce rather than joing the other 2nd tier conferences.
Who would they have added?
North Texas? They already have two DFW schools, why add a third?
UTEP? Talk about logistical problems with a school practically in New Mexico.
Louisiana Tech? They were independent so this would have been a possibility.
Tulane was a charter member of C-USA so unlikely they would have joined. So were Memphis and Southern Miss.
Not much in terms of options outside of elevating a few D1-AA schools.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:03 am to hoginthesw
Look at all the cute kids playing in the kiddie pool.
This is the single reason Arkansas left the SWC. It's outlined in Frank Broyles (Arkansas long time Coach and AD) book and online papers you can search on google.
Before Arkansas left announced to the SEC in 1990 pro sports had taken over Texas. Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas were the only schools turning profits because the fans of Houston, SMU, Rice, TCU etc. had diminished as pro sports grew in Dallas and Houston (Cowboys, Mavericks, Rangers and Oilers)
In the late 1980's Frank Broyles played golf with the SEC AD's (He is from Georgia) and stated Arkansas would likely move if the SEC were to expand. Frank Broyles then talked to Texas and Texas A&M coaches to come with to the SEC for they were the only teams making profit in the SWC at that time.
The cheating and horrible officiating (Arkansas officials could never referee an Ark vs Tex sporting event) was the straw that broke the back. The main reason was always Pro Sports that killed the SWC.
Texas Politics kept Texas and Texas A&M in the SWC while Arkansas bolted and the rest is history.
This is the single reason Arkansas left the SWC. It's outlined in Frank Broyles (Arkansas long time Coach and AD) book and online papers you can search on google.
Before Arkansas left announced to the SEC in 1990 pro sports had taken over Texas. Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas were the only schools turning profits because the fans of Houston, SMU, Rice, TCU etc. had diminished as pro sports grew in Dallas and Houston (Cowboys, Mavericks, Rangers and Oilers)
In the late 1980's Frank Broyles played golf with the SEC AD's (He is from Georgia) and stated Arkansas would likely move if the SEC were to expand. Frank Broyles then talked to Texas and Texas A&M coaches to come with to the SEC for they were the only teams making profit in the SWC at that time.
The cheating and horrible officiating (Arkansas officials could never referee an Ark vs Tex sporting event) was the straw that broke the back. The main reason was always Pro Sports that killed the SWC.
Texas Politics kept Texas and Texas A&M in the SWC while Arkansas bolted and the rest is history.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:10 am to hoginthesw
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They wanted to kick us out so that they could form the Big 12 and bring in the all mighty Iowa State and Kansas; which formed AFTER we left the SWC.
As I suspected, Ark jealousy.
The Big 12 formed 4 or 5 years after Arkansas left, if it was UT's plan to "kick" Ark out why did they wait so long to form the new conference? I'm sure it was adding Iowa State and Kansas, and not Nebraska, Colorado and OU that was the driving force behind wanting to from the Big 12.
Its pretty funny that Texas doing what's in their interest destroys things, but others want the same is not.
NU gripes about moving the conference HQ to Dallas as if having it in KC was not better for them. Texas doesn't get 7 votes, 6 other teams, all closer to Dallas, voted for the same. Dallas or maybe Tulsa or OKC are more centrally located to the Big 12 than KC.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:17 am to SunHog
Houston, SMU, Rice, and TCU never had very large followings. Definitely not enough to say that THEY are the reason the SWC collapsed due to them turning to pro. It is true, that DFW and Houston are pro towns (houston is aggie, though) but, those schools never had large fan bases to demise from.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:21 am to hoginthesw
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hoginthesw
Can someone give me a summary of why the SWC died?
Houston, SMU, Rice, and TCU never had very large followings. Definitely not enough to say that THEY are the reason the SWC collapsed due to them turning to pro. It is true, that DFW and Houston are pro towns (houston is aggie, though) but, those schools never had large fan bases to demise from.
100% true the man who started the conference expansion (Frank Broyles and Arkansas) said so himself. Those schools lost profits and fans. Pro Sports expanded therefore making marketing in Texas pro instead of college, it's still that way to this day.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:31 am to SunHog
In short, the SWC was the perfect conference for a TV-less world. Do-able drives, decent venues, a mix of large and small state schools, etc.
But it was virtually all in Texas, and eventually no one cared enough in other parts of the country. Then mix in political back-biting, cheating scandals, and voila
Hello Big 8 + Texas, A&M, Baylor, and Tech
But it was virtually all in Texas, and eventually no one cared enough in other parts of the country. Then mix in political back-biting, cheating scandals, and voila
Hello Big 8 + Texas, A&M, Baylor, and Tech
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:44 am to WikiTiger
Arky was seduced the Saddam Hussein of College Football (SEC). Like traitorous Non-Texans, they left.
After that horrendous betrayal, the Texas teams just couldn't get over the grief and were forced to form the Big 12.
After that horrendous betrayal, the Texas teams just couldn't get over the grief and were forced to form the Big 12.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:05 pm to wmr
the san antonio express news had a nice article about this a year or so ago if you care to find it. It gave a very detailed history and some interviews with the power players of the time.
Basically a Texas centric market could not support 9 or so teams.
Basically a Texas centric market could not support 9 or so teams.
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