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re: Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports) Tweets that final four for #14 are:

Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:04 am to
Posted by RollTideTA
Member since Nov 2010
560 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:04 am to
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UNC and VT will not happen because of politics


same thing was said ad nauseum about A&M last year... so who knows
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
268678 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:05 am to
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Glad I'm not the only one that hates Mizzou.



You are probably in the majority, but I don't quite get the hate from a new member perspective. They will have a decent football team this year, solid in basketball, not a geographic sore thumb, nearby population centers and not that it really matters to the SEC, has a decent academic reputation. I like FSU from a competitive position, but UNC, UVA or Maryland, people are kidding themselves if they think they will join the SEC.
Posted by winyahpercy
Georgetown, South Carolina
Member since Nov 2010
1383 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:47 am to
I lived in DC for 10 yrs. VaTech sells out 80k FexEx Field while UMd can't sell out 50k Byrd Stadium. College football doesn't get much attention on the local news. UMd get more basketball attention than VaTech, but Georgetown dominates college bball coverage. SEC wants a football school. Maryland is a basketball school. Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37350 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:12 am to
shite I meat to say doesn't hate Mizzou. I wouldn't mind them at all.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
17511 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:16 am to
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Maryland


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Mizzou


Although, is only a 2 hour drive for me to go see LSU play there.
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UNC

Meh. They do have an SEC-style defense [badass].
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Va Tech

Meh


what happened to Fla St? That would have been epic!
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:19 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125881 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:51 pm to
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I have lots of family in DC. I have never met a Maryland fan or alum and don't see a ton of Maryland stuff around. I've met a ton of VT alums and see VT stuff everywhere. I have no idea on the actual numbers or anything, just personal experience. VT is a much better cultural fit with fans and their support also, though I know that probably means very little in all this.



I grew up in DC and the rise of love for VT in the area is a new thing(post Vick era). To say its more of a cultural fit is nonsense b/c Northern VA which is the market and chunk of VT fans your talking about are not southern what so ever
Posted by GumBro Jackson
Raleigh
Member since Mar 2011
3127 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:54 pm to
I lived in DC for five years. There is no college that will "deliver" the college football DC.

DC is a pro sports town. Redskins are BY FAR the most popular team in the area. Nothing else is even close. As for college football, VT may be the most popular team, but that isn't saying much b/c they are a tiny fraction of the market b/c there are people from all over the country in DC and no college within an hour of the city is a football powerhouse. Georgetown basketball is pretty popular as is Maryland basketball. Maryland football did get a bump that few years when they were decent, but it wasn't anything like they controlled the entire market.

People in the South often don't understand that in the mid-atlantic and northeast NFL just kills college football for popularity.
Posted by Beltway Bengal
Potomac, Maryland
Member since Feb 2004
519 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:07 pm to
GumBro Jackson's assessment of the DC market is pretty accurate.

As to the statement that Va Tech can sell out FedEx, I'm not sure you can draw conclusions based on one game every few years against USC or Boise. They doubtless have many fans in the DC area and they gobble up the available seats at Maryland if the Terps are having a bad year, but I doubt Va Tech or Maryland could deliver DC as a market for the SEC.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9197 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:53 pm to
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I lived in DC for 10 yrs. VaTech sells out 80k FexEx Field while UMd can't sell out 50k Byrd Stadium. College football doesn't get much attention on the local news. UMd get more basketball attention than VaTech, but Georgetown dominates college bball coverage. SEC wants a football school. Maryland is a basketball school. Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"


Virginia Tech sticks out like a sore thumb as the obvious 14th team. They make so much sense when you look carefully at everything.

1) Strong/Solid football program with very respectable programs in the other major sports - Check

2) Strong new TV markets bordering current SEC footprint. The state of Virginia has strong Va Tech support and Va Tech is at least as popular in DC as Maryland is - Check

3) Most importantly this adds an Eastern team with a strong alumni base and very solid academics. This East addition allows the SEC to keep the exact same scheduling format it has now. The ONLY difference is that every SEC team will simply replace 1 of their non-conference cupcakes with the new team in their division. How beautiful it would be to not have to blow up the divisions?

Add A&M to the West and Va Tech to the East and BE DONE WITH EXPANSION FOR GOOD!!! 14 teams is plenty enough for a super conference without. 16 teams is too much and ruins scheduling.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125881 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:07 pm to
you have no idea what you are talking about VT in the SEC would be average at best with a 10 win season every 5 to 6 years. Their other sports wouldn't contribute a thing
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125881 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:15 pm to
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DC is a pro sports town. Redskins are BY FAR the most popular team in the area. Nothing else is even close


Thats for sure and it still has so many people from other areas with other pro and college loyalties.

VT does not own that market at all, hell 3 or 4 of their games were not on local tv in the DC area. Yet every WVU game was on ESPN or MASN so go figure. Penn State, WVU also have large numbers in the area and you can't forget the countless amounts of SEC fans in there. People in DC watch SEC football regardless.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:24 pm to
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I lived in DC for 10 yrs.



good.

Look I'm not into getting into things on a message board. But my job involves media consulting and research for the media themselves.

The research we did for a client in the DC market, a radio station, showed Maryland as the college team in the area. UVa a distant second. G'Town is a big basketball entity in CBB but the college TEAM of choice is Maryland. VaTech barely a blip. And yes it's a Pro Town first....but I stand by my numbers


If I wouldn't get fired I'd post the report

but it's not really that serious, peace out
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9197 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:25 pm to
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People in DC watch SEC football regardless.


Which is all the more reason that any new DC viewers that Va Tech may bring is simply gravy. The state of Virginia itself is a good enough TV market to pursue even if you don't add any of the DC metro. UNC would be the absolute best but that has 0% chance of happening. VT people are a solid 50/50 on joining the SEC and are far less attached politically to the ACC than any of the North Carolina teams.

If push came to shove I don't see UVA people putting up a huge fight to keep Va Tech considering they didn't want them coming with them to the ACC in the first place. There are too many Big East teams the ACC could raid to find a replacement anyway for them to protest too harshly to kill a deal
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125881 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:31 pm to
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If push came to shove I don't see UVA people putting up a huge fight to keep Va Tech considering they didn't want them coming with them to the ACC in the first place.


you have no idea what you are talking about, when VT pissed and moaned about not getting their initial ACC invite they sued the ACC with other Big East schools and when big brother UVA was used as the vote to stop expansion completely politics forced VT into the picture and has attached the two schools at the hip.
Posted by akahogfan
DC
Member since Nov 2010
243 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 5:06 pm to
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Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"


Kentucky???
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9197 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 5:24 pm to
I realize you desperately want WVU to get the invite as the 14th team but it probably isn't going to happen and no amount of Va Tech bashing is going to put WVU higher on the SEC's wanted listed.

West Virginia has fine people and a nice program but your entire TV market is roughly the same size as the Birmingham and Montgomery TV markets combined. Heck, if the SEC added the Virginia Tidewater TV market alone it would equal the entire West Virginia TV market.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125881 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 6:13 pm to
this has nothing to do with WVU im just setting some facts straight about VT being a Virginia native and have lived in the DC area for 23 years
Posted by jtiga222
mandeville
Member since Jul 2005
732 posts
Posted on 8/30/11 at 6:55 pm to
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UNC please.

Its not UNC I can gaurantee you that. Unc and Duke will be together until the end of time.
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