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re: Joe Schad reports JJ attorney disputes that he kicked anyone In the head
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:11 pm to deSandman
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:11 pm to deSandman
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Do you not understand that its possible for a person to be fighting both before and after a different event?
No. Apparently he is both retarded and has never seen a bar fight.
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:13 pm to Geaux2002
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The stories given by the two employees don't necessarily add up and if these guys are bitching about how the police haven't come for their testimony, why have they not made an effort to vindicate JJ by going directly to the police themselves? Pretty simple, they can't vindicate them and all they can say is that at some point during the fight they saw JJ not involved in it and pouting as he usually does.
Good lord, you are such a hack.
What doesn't add up about their accounts?
They spoke with the players' attorney on Monday. The police refused to speak to them. Why don't you start questioning why the BRPD won't speak with them?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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They spoke with the players' attorney on Monday. The police refused to speak to them. Why don't you start questioning why the BRPD won't speak with them?
Seems a bit absurd to refuse to speak with witnesses that openly come to give you their statements, but continue to push this bullshite angle with no proof.
The facts they present don't change anything in regards to JJ. One person references what happens in the bar (not the part in question), and the other states that he cannot say if JJ was involved in the fight or not.
Their versions aren't meaning shite other than PR. How abuot the fact that MAYBE, just MAYBE, they aren't telling this to the cops because there are consequences for giving false testimony to the police. That's as if not more likely to be true than the cops simply saying "no thanks, we don't wanna hear it".
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:31 pm to Antonio Moss
FYI, the attorney for Lowery+3 just said on WAFB that he expects more names from the fight to surface soon. I think having to go through all of this again would suck.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:33 pm to Geaux2002
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Seems a bit absurd to refuse to speak with witnesses that openly come to give you their statements, but continue to push this bullshite angle with no proof.
I know for a fact that police won't talk to them.
Prove that the police are willing to talk to them.
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One person references what happens in the bar (not the part in question), and the other states that he cannot say if JJ was involved in the fight or not.
First, it directly contradicts the Lowery account which is huge as far as credibility is concerned.
Second, it places Jefferson away from the fight. The bouncer can't confirm that he was away from the fight the entire time because he didn't see the whole thing. But from what he saw, Jefferson wasn't involved. Again, extremely relevant.
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Their versions aren't meaning shite other than PR. How abuot the fact that MAYBE, just MAYBE, they aren't telling this to the cops because there are consequences for giving false testimony to the police. That's as if not more likely to be true than the cops simply saying "no thanks, we don't wanna hear it".
They offered to give accounts to police on several occasions, so that fabricated theory of yours is out as well.
Unglesby is about to destroy the BRPD.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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Unglesby is about to destroy the BRPD.
Good. They need to be called on to the carpet for the bullshite they've been pulling this past week.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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Antonio Moss
Do I have it right that you're a lawyer? Defense attorney? (Again just curious) If so what is your BEST GUESS as to what will happen with the 2 players AND to Lowery?
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I know for a fact that police won't talk to them
Why would they not? I'm just a plain old citizen who is curious.
Thanks for any insight.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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I know for a fact that police won't talk to them.
Prove that the police are willing to talk to them.
Good for you. Prove it or shut up about it.
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First, it directly contradicts the Lowery account which is huge as far as credibility is concerned.
One victim's version and only parts of it. Continue to ignore the fact that 4 others at least gave their testimonies likely matching his version (the 3 other victims and the girl). Also assume that they have no other witnesses and evidence.
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Second, it places Jefferson away from the fight. The bouncer can't confirm that he was away from the fight the entire time because he didn't see the whole thing. But from what he saw, Jefferson wasn't involved. Again, extremely relevant.
Again, only relevant in trial and when trying to convince the jury his story is bogus. Unless they can clearly state whether they saw JJ at all points during the clash not involved, it means nothing in regards to the charges.
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They offered to give accounts to police on several occasions, so that fabricated theory of yours is out as well.
Again, prove it or shut it. You have no proof, and continue to spew this. I am sorry that I don't buy your claims and even theirs as the exact truth, but go ahead.
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Unglesby is about to destroy the BRPD.
We'll see. Your dream version of this is quite hilarious. BRPD may do stupid shite, but this is just ridiculous.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:45 pm to Antonio Moss
thanks for your contribution. which is nothing.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:46 pm to Geaux2002
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if these guys are bitching about how the police haven't come for their testimony, why have they not made an effort to vindicate JJ by going directly to the police themselves?
For whatever reason it looks like the police do not want to talk to them. I'm guessing they didn't talk before because they were waiting to be contacted by the police and the attorneys. They finally got to a point where it was obvious the police weren't going to interview them so they told their story to try and clear JJ.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:47 pm to tiger91
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Why would they not? I'm just a plain old citizen who is curious.
They wouldn't. It would entirely compromise the investigation if they willfully refused to accept the statements of witnesses to a crime. I've met stupid cops, but I seriously doubt this happened. It's just a legal trick being pushed right now. Refuse to talk to the police, and then when you tell your story to the media (even if fabricated), they can't hold you accountable for false testimony, but you can try to kill their case by saying they didn't get your side.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:48 pm to Geaux2002
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Good for you. Prove it or shut up about it.
What is there to proove? A week later and they still haven't talked to the police. If they wanted to talk to them than they most certainly would have.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:49 pm to ZTiger87
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For whatever reason it looks like the police do not want to talk to them. I'm guessing they didn't talk before because they were waiting to be contacted by the police and the attorneys. They finally got to a point where it was obvious the police weren't going to interview them so they told their story to try and clear JJ.
HAHAHAHA. Yes, that's it. I have information to clear JJ (which even their stories published in the AP do not do), and wait for the cops? Some LSU fans embarrass my alma mater sometimes with how naive they choose to be.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:50 pm to ZTiger87
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What is there to proove? A week later and they still haven't talked to the police. If they wanted to talk to them than they most certainly would have.
If you are going to accuse the police of refusing to talk to you, then you have to prove it. I am not the one throwing accusations of bias and willful attempts by the police department to prevent witnesses that can clear a suspects name from testifying.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:52 pm to CP3LSU25
What! I have never heard of a lawyer claiming his client is innocent.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:56 pm to Geaux2002
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If you are going to accuse the police of refusing to talk to you, then you have to prove it.
How the hell can you prove that? They have not talked to the police for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:56 pm to Antonio Moss
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I know for a fact that police won't talk to them.
Really...how and why.
As you aaid, prove it.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:57 pm to tiger91
At the 1:12 mark of the film I see a what looks like a white dude running and landing a punch knocking a person down I believe this was the fatal blow causing the most damage.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:59 pm to Geaux2002
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Yes, that's it. I have information to clear JJ (which even their stories published in the AP do not do), and wait for the cops?
Why would they not wait to talk to the cops or attorneys? And their story could contain information that would clear JJ. They clearly state that at some point during the fight JJ was not involved. If other people are accusing JJ of being involved in the fight at this point than you have conflicting stories. The employees' story is backed by video so JJ would be cleared.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:01 pm to ZTiger87
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How the hell can you proove that? They have not talked to the police for whatever reason.
I can't, but Antonio Moss seems to thinks he can say this shite without proof either. All I gather from this is he knows the bouncers or someone connected to them and has their side of it, which from the paper article gives nothing of use in this case other than a bit of discredit to the original story being passed around as Lowery's version in the initial report.
Moss has claimed he knows nothing else from the police side other than that, yet claims these guys are somehow trustworthy. Sorry if I don't buy it cause some random "lawyer" on tigerdroppings claims it.
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