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Expansion Chronology, 1990
Posted on 8/17/11 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 8/17/11 at 8:33 pm
Just FYI
May 31, 1990: Expansion agreed upon by SEC presidents.
June 3, 1990: Big 10 takes Penn St. as member.
Aug 1, 1990: Arkansas joins SEC
Sep 25, 1990: South Carolina joins SEC
Nov 29, 1990: Two 6-team divisions approved.
May 31, 1990: Expansion agreed upon by SEC presidents.
June 3, 1990: Big 10 takes Penn St. as member.
Aug 1, 1990: Arkansas joins SEC
Sep 25, 1990: South Carolina joins SEC
Nov 29, 1990: Two 6-team divisions approved.
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 8:36 pm to LSU Tigerhead
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:43 pm to LSU Tigerhead
quote:
Aug 1, 1990: Arkansas joins SEC
Sep 25, 1990: South Carolina joins SEC
I hate Carolina, f'ing n00bs...
This post was edited on 8/17/11 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:26 pm to wmr
Yep, copycats 
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:37 pm to wmr
Posted on 8/17/11 at 11:26 pm to HooDooWitch
interesting that uscjr. joined during the season. seems like the start of the season is the deadline for aTm.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:05 am to 1999
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Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:08 am to 1999
quote:
interesting that uscjr. joined during the season. seems like the start of the season is the deadline for aTm.
we weren't in a conference that competed in football, so there were no contracts to break. we were in the Metro w/ FSU, but that more for scheduling and to get automatic bids for basketball.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:25 am to winyahpercy
Good point. Carolina had nobody to piss off, nobody to get sued by when joining.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 12:37 pm to LSU Tigerhead
The SEC didn't ask schools to join, they basically announced that they were looking to expand and asked for applications.
As I recall, the SEC was targeting (courting) Texas A&M and FSU. At the time, FSU was THE dominant program in football. But FSU (Bowden) said frick the SEC, we're a dominant team as an independent and always will be. (He was afraid of playing good competitive teams every week.) Then Florida State leaves the Metro (non-football conference) joins the ACC the next year, I guess thinking they'd dominate that conference.
Texas A&M was thwarted by the Texas legislature, so they swore their allegiance to the SWC. In 1994, the SWC folded when Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech left to join the Big 8 which became the Big 12. The word was that A&M wasn't allowed to do anything without Texas included (maybe that's why A&M is so pissed off these days.)
Maybe some of the piggies here can give more background on their jump to the SEC.
As I recall, the SEC was targeting (courting) Texas A&M and FSU. At the time, FSU was THE dominant program in football. But FSU (Bowden) said frick the SEC, we're a dominant team as an independent and always will be. (He was afraid of playing good competitive teams every week.) Then Florida State leaves the Metro (non-football conference) joins the ACC the next year, I guess thinking they'd dominate that conference.
Texas A&M was thwarted by the Texas legislature, so they swore their allegiance to the SWC. In 1994, the SWC folded when Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech left to join the Big 8 which became the Big 12. The word was that A&M wasn't allowed to do anything without Texas included (maybe that's why A&M is so pissed off these days.)
Maybe some of the piggies here can give more background on their jump to the SEC.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 2:58 pm to LSU Tigerhead
I don't know the particulars, but according to Broyles, we were one of the first choices for the SEC. Apparently we had been in touch about it for several years.
The SEC had considered going to 14 teams back then, so its possible that Texas, TxA&M, Arkansas and FSU were the four they originally had in mind.
Simply due to Carolina joining later (and the fact that they had basically nothing to work out with an existing conference) makes me believe that they might not have been at the top of the list.
That's not a flame towards Carolina, as I like having them in the league. Its just the best my feeble mind can muster right now.
The SEC had considered going to 14 teams back then, so its possible that Texas, TxA&M, Arkansas and FSU were the four they originally had in mind.
Simply due to Carolina joining later (and the fact that they had basically nothing to work out with an existing conference) makes me believe that they might not have been at the top of the list.
That's not a flame towards Carolina, as I like having them in the league. Its just the best my feeble mind can muster right now.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/18/11 at 3:04 pm to wmr
I'd like to add that I am glad we jumped when we did. It was a big deal and not a small decision.
To this day, we have still played Texas more times in football than we have played anybody else.
We left behind all that was familiar to us, traditions, trips, hates, rivalries, etc in order to join the SEC. It was a big deal.
Try to imagine your team doing the same...pretty crazy when you think about it.
To this day, we have still played Texas more times in football than we have played anybody else.
We left behind all that was familiar to us, traditions, trips, hates, rivalries, etc in order to join the SEC. It was a big deal.
Try to imagine your team doing the same...pretty crazy when you think about it.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 3:10 pm to wmr
When was the first year in league play for Arkansas and South Carolina? 1991 or 1992
Posted on 8/18/11 at 3:16 pm to winyahpercy
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we weren't in a conference that competed in football, so there were no contracts to break. we were in the Metro w/ FSU, but that more for scheduling and to get automatic bids for basketball.
Metro coulda been a solid football conference. FSU, Virginia Tech, USC, UL, Cincy, even Georgia Tech at one point.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 3:16 pm to spslayto
Football 1992.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 3:24 pm to LSU Tigerhead
Yes, A&M was blocked to join the SEC then 
We were on top of our game at that point too. Goddammit I'm getting mad just thinking about it. Jackie Sherrill stated as early as the 70's I believe that he thought A&M belonged in the SEC.
Here's to hoping he's finally right
We were on top of our game at that point too. Goddammit I'm getting mad just thinking about it. Jackie Sherrill stated as early as the 70's I believe that he thought A&M belonged in the SEC.
Here's to hoping he's finally right
Posted on 8/18/11 at 8:41 pm to wmr
Here's a challenge for the new guys (Arkansas and Carolina):
Go to your school library and look up old newspaper articles on microfilm regarding the jump to the SEC and post some of them here.
I'm curious to read about the reactions when it was announced (or discussed prior to the announcement).
ETA: I'm going to post this in the SEC Rant too
Go to your school library and look up old newspaper articles on microfilm regarding the jump to the SEC and post some of them here.
I'm curious to read about the reactions when it was announced (or discussed prior to the announcement).
ETA: I'm going to post this in the SEC Rant too
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 8/18/11 at 8:49 pm to LSU Tigerhead
Apparently Arkansas' AD at the time, Frank Broyles, had convinced UT and A&M to break away from the SWC with Arkansas and join the SEC.
The Texas legislature got involved and blocked the moved or put enough pressure on the Texas schools to not make the move.
That was a huge mistake and time has proven me right.
Since we lack any rival competition close by I always thought it would be cool to be in a division with a7m, ut, arkansas and ou.
The Texas legislature got involved and blocked the moved or put enough pressure on the Texas schools to not make the move.
That was a huge mistake and time has proven me right.
Since we lack any rival competition close by I always thought it would be cool to be in a division with a7m, ut, arkansas and ou.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 8:53 pm to 1999
quote:
interesting that uscjr. joined during the season. seems like the start of the season is the deadline for aTm.
it's a totally different world now
Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:10 pm to LSU Tigerhead
FSU petitioned the SEC for 30 years beginning in 1960. Their biggest advocate was Florida who wanted FSU and Miami in the SEC. The idea went nowhere until 1990, when FSU was offered SEC membership. That year FSU was also offered by the ACC and Big East. After three decades of SEC rejection and knowing they could not dominate in our conference FSU cast its lot with the ACC.
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