Started By
Message
locked post

MLS attendance numbers...can someone help me out

Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:54 pm
Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4769 posts
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:54 pm
I'm trying to find an article or stats of some sort comparing MLS attendance numbers to the NBA/MLB/NFL for an article I'm writing. I'm on google looking, but can't seem to find something valid.

thanks in advance sirs and madames
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
4825 posts
Posted on 7/10/11 at 9:55 pm to
Someone else posted this a couple weeks back. The MLS is like 17,350 and the NBA is 17,300, NHL is like 17,190
This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 11:03 pm
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
24088 posts
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:01 pm to
Link 1

2010 Article

Hope that helps.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39382 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:09 am to
Here is the thread I posted weeks ago comparing NHL, NBA, and MLS. LINK

Go here to find the most up to date MLS attendance stats. They update weekly.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39382 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:15 am to
If you want attendance stats for other sports, your best bet is to crunch the numbers yourself. I just did average attendance for the NHL and NBA, but there were more things I could have done, like comparing attendance to capacity and what not. I couldn't find any clear averages for any sport other than the stuff I found on Bigsoccer, and still I redid the numbers to make sure my math was correct, because the peeps at Bigsoccer account for a lot of things.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39424 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:21 am to
I'm bookmarking your thread for future naysayers of the sport
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39382 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:24 am to
Next year, the MLS attendance has a strong chance of exceeding 20,000 per game because of the addition of Montreal, and Houston's new stadium. All we really need is San Jose to get a new stadium so it can stop bringing the average down.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29052 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 9:52 am to
Just to play contrarian, you'll need to adress a few things.

MLS: 34 games
NBA: 82
NHL: 82

And average ticket price for all 3 sports.

Something to adress as a counter point is "could attendance numbers be affected by less games at a cheaper price".
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25606 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Just to play contrarian, you'll need to adress a few things.

MLS: 34 games
NBA: 82
NHL: 82

And average ticket price for all 3 sports.

Something to adress as a counter point is "could attendance numbers be affected by less games at a cheaper price".

ALSO, I think a better gauge of attendance may be the average % of capacity. There are several MLS stadiums that have capacity well above most NBA arenas.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29052 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 11:22 am to
quote:

ALSO, I think a better gauge of attendance may be the average % of capacity. There are several MLS stadiums that have capacity well above most NBA arenas.


Not all the stadiums were built for MLS teams though, that would skew your numbers.
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25606 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Not all the stadiums were built for MLS teams though, that would skew your numbers.

Maybe, but stadiums like Qwest Field (actually now called CenturyLink Field) in Seattle reduce the official capacity for soccer matches because they don't sell seats in some sections. I believe they get over 30k for games at Qwest which are considered sell-outs even though that stadium holds 67,000.


Looking at Wikipedia, the stadium's official MLS capacity is 35,700...so you would base your attendance percentage on that capacity rather than 67,000.



ETA: Here are the stadium "official capacity" figures for all MLS stadiums per Wikipedia.

46,000 - RFK Stadium# (DC United)
37,500 - CenturyLink Field* (Seattle Sounders FC)
32,000 - Robertson Stadium# (Houston Dynamo)
27,000 - The Home Depot Center (LA Galazy; Chivas USA)
25,189 - Red Bull Arena (New York Red Bulls)
22,385 - Gillette Stadium* (New England Revolution)
21,800 - BMO Field (Toronto FC)
21,193 - Pizza Hut Park (FC Dallas)
20,500 - Empire Field (Vancouver Whitecaps FC)
20,455 - Columbus Crew Stadium (Columbus Crew)
20,008 - Rio Tinto Stadium (Real Salt Lake)
20,000 - Toyota Park (Chicago Fire)
19,680 - Dick's Sporting Goods Park (Colorado Rapids)
19,000 - Jeld-Wen Field (Portland Timbers)
18,500 - PPL Park (Philadelphia Union)
18,467 - Livestrong Sporting Park (Sporting KC)
10,300 - Buck Shaw Stadium (San Jose Earthquakes)


* These stadiums have artificially reduced their official capacities for MLS games.

# These stadiums are football stadiums that host MLS teams but do not artificially reduce official capacity.
This post was edited on 7/11/11 at 11:49 am
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

All we really need is San Jose to get a new stadium so it can stop bringing the average down


It's in the works

San Jose had 35K for the New York game in Stanford stadium. The city has been dragging its feet for a couple of years on the issue but it should happen by the time I get a job there. :fingerscrossed:
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28097 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 12:34 pm to
Are you fricking kidding me Vancity is out drawing us??????
Toronto FC 19876 20658 -3.8% 20263 -1.9%
Vancouver 20019 New 0.0% New 0.0% Damn you Sheep buying up an extra 130 seats per game
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25606 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

Are you fricking kidding me Vancity is out drawing us??????
Toronto FC 19876 20658 -3.8% 20263 -1.9%
Vancouver 20019 New 0.0% New 0.0% Damn you Sheep buying up an extra 130 seats per game

lol, give it time. There's probably a % of attendees that are there because it's the inagural season. I think you'll see a slight dip in the next year or two. On the other hand, I DON'T see that being the case in Portland.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26189 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

19,000 - Jeld-Wen Field (Portland Timbers)


Actually 18,627
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
3565 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 3:40 pm to
Vancouver is in a temporary stadium this season. I expect their numbers to go up after they move into BC Place. The question is how do those numbers look 5 years from now.
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25606 posts
Posted on 7/11/11 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Vancouver is in a temporary stadium this season. I expect their numbers to go up after they move into BC Place. The question is how do those numbers look 5 years from now.

According to Wikipedia, the expected soccer capacity for BC Place will be 22,000 - just 1,500 more than their current stadium.

quote:

Actually 18,627

True. I remember them mentioning the sell-out figure during yesterday's match.
This post was edited on 7/11/11 at 3:47 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39382 posts
Posted on 7/12/11 at 3:57 am to
quote:

ALSO, I think a better gauge of attendance may be the average % of capacity. There are several MLS stadiums that have capacity well above most NBA arenas.


At this point, the best gauge is average attendance, as the league is still in its infancy using stadiums that are relatively new with a very new fanbase. Taking capacity into account shows that certain teams are playing in stadiums much too large for their fanbase (like DC) or playing in venues much too small (San Jose) or shows (in the case of teams like Columbus) struggling and failing to get people in the seats.

I'd argue that attendance numbers are more complicated than the average % of capacity can show. MLS is drawing crowds of 20k in 26% of games, and have drawn 20k crowds in 20% of games in four out of the last five years. In the same time period, the amount of games with less than 10k dwindled down to less than 10%, and has been dwindling for four of the last five years. That points to an upward trend, that when combined with overall attendance figures, can be very helpful in negotiating a better TV contract, which would allow the sport further growth.

Now, if at a point in the future every team has a stadium that fits more or less with its fanbase, then the capacity percentage numbers can be drawn into the debate so as to find struggling franchises and either move them, or help reorient their marketing strategy.
This post was edited on 7/12/11 at 3:59 am
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
3565 posts
Posted on 7/12/11 at 8:22 am to
quote:

According to Wikipedia, the expected soccer capacity for BC Place will be 22,000 - just 1,500 more than their current stadium.
I hear you, I just think they'll sell that out next year too (new stadium in a better location, and their team should be be able to do better than this season).
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
4825 posts
Posted on 7/12/11 at 4:11 pm to
The new Earthquakes' stadium is only going to hold between 15,000-18,000? That seems pretty low, but I guess it's still a big improvement over the current stadium.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram