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re: Who has a bigger impact on the game, Cliff Harris or Tyrann Mathieu?
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:41 pm to Geaux Tahel
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:41 pm to Geaux Tahel
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LINK I'll take TM, thank you.
Hot damn! I forgot about some of those plays. The option play against ole miss at 5:09 when he covers the rb and is fast enough to dodge a pulling guard and still cover the QB is unreal.
I can't remember seeing another Tiger who has his instinct to diagnose plays and disrupt them so quickly.
That being said, Cliff Harris is the undeniable starter at corner for Oregon. We don't know if TM will start or be more of a nickel back, so for now I have to go with CH. Besides, I though Mo was the likely one to return punts, no?
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:42 pm to Russell2Bowe
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Not really this thread, but people keep predicting an LSU blowout win
Just like they did vs Washington and UNC. Oregon has much more talent than those two did when playing LSU.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:52 pm to Cussian
There was mention of TM being the returner.
The cool thing about the video is all the plays TM created. They weren't just plays where the ball is thrown right into his arms. He CAUSED so may plays. I didn't realize how many ints he cause by deflections. Those were ints for someone else stat line but made because of TM.
Another impressive thing is all the plays he made while playing just the Nickle. Imagine how many he might have made if he got the snaps that other starters got... like the amount of snaps Harris got.
I don't necessarily follow this line of thought (for you UO fans before you get sand in your vaginas), but a UO fan (maybe Bison) was pumping the UO defense saying the reason they give up so many yards is because they are on defense so many plays. Well... just playing Devils advocate here, you could also argue the reason Harris made lots of plays is because he had so many chances to make plays. Again, I don't necessarily buy that line of thought, but if a UO is going to point to the excessive amount of plays as the reason for giving up yards, then it's only fair to say the reason Harris makes plays is cause he has so many chances. Works both ways doesn't it? Or is that too much logic.
The cool thing about the video is all the plays TM created. They weren't just plays where the ball is thrown right into his arms. He CAUSED so may plays. I didn't realize how many ints he cause by deflections. Those were ints for someone else stat line but made because of TM.
Another impressive thing is all the plays he made while playing just the Nickle. Imagine how many he might have made if he got the snaps that other starters got... like the amount of snaps Harris got.
I don't necessarily follow this line of thought (for you UO fans before you get sand in your vaginas), but a UO fan (maybe Bison) was pumping the UO defense saying the reason they give up so many yards is because they are on defense so many plays. Well... just playing Devils advocate here, you could also argue the reason Harris made lots of plays is because he had so many chances to make plays. Again, I don't necessarily buy that line of thought, but if a UO is going to point to the excessive amount of plays as the reason for giving up yards, then it's only fair to say the reason Harris makes plays is cause he has so many chances. Works both ways doesn't it? Or is that too much logic.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Anyone saying LSU will blow them out is plain crazy. Not only will LSU NOT blow them out, there is a very good chance they wont even win. But fortunately that has zero effect on the NC if they just handle the SEC part of the schedule.
A 1 loss (against UO) LSU team that wins the SECCG will be guaranteed a spot in the NCG.
A 1 loss (against UO) LSU team that wins the SECCG will be guaranteed a spot in the NCG.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:56 pm to BigEdLSU
Tyrann
We arent a passing team, and Harris is their boundry corner, so unless they shadow Reuben, we should be able to force Harris to cover Shep. A 1 for 1 sort of speak.
Tyrann is much more instrumental in defending the run and blitzing.
We arent a passing team, and Harris is their boundry corner, so unless they shadow Reuben, we should be able to force Harris to cover Shep. A 1 for 1 sort of speak.
Tyrann is much more instrumental in defending the run and blitzing.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:56 pm to BigEdLSU
depends, it harris takes one back for a TD then him at the same time thought T-rex could force a fumble and take it back for one also, but for a prediction I think harris will have more opportunities and will have a larger impact.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 1:59 pm to Russell2Bowe
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Harris doesn't have a bad highlight reel, either.
I love TM, and he will have a better career than Harris, but people need to stop acting like Oregon has no talent.
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I'm not gonna say that Harris has no talent, but if that highlite reel is the measuring stick between the 2, Mathieu wins hands down.
The 1st 2 plays shown on that reel is the reason why I don't care for Chip Kelly. Harris is returning punts while Oregon is up 7 touchdowns in a shutout?? He was returning punts against a 4th string special teams. And to boot, NM's 1st string isn't even close to Oregon's 3rd string.
I only saw 3 trully impressive plays in that reel of Harris'. T-Rex's is chuck full. And he caused almost every play.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 2:03 pm to Geaux Tahel
no, it's time to go back to being as rude to opposing fans on this board as we used to be. everyone should have a little, pussy, homosexual, oregon bitch-type statement to make to each of them after every one of their posts, while mixing in actual football facts, of course.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 2:08 pm to Hired Gun
I don't think it has to be that extreme, but it's a little ridiculous when you can't even post something positive about a player on your own team without getting jumped by UO fans AND LSU fans that feel we have to give equal time and kudos to the opponent... on a fricking LSU forum.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 3:56 pm to jrodLSUke
My vote is in as well:
Posted on 6/4/11 at 5:47 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Piss on UO you are right about the pussification of america!! every one needs to grow some nutts and say frick UO and we will smash a mudhole in that arse!!!!
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:00 pm to BigEdLSU
Bigger impact as of this point in time has to go to Cliff. I really don't see how that can be debated right now. Can't just write off an All-American (both as DB and a returner) as if he's a bum like many on here seem to be doing but to each their own I guess. That said Cliff has been starting for 2 years and had more of an opportunity to prove himself. Not saying Cliff will for sure be better this coming season but if I were a betting man I'd still put my money on him.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:18 pm to goducks75
<---this guy would take that bet and he'd say you're gonna regret he's the best there's ever been.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:22 pm to Geaux Tahel
quote:Wrong, let UO, FSU or OU run the table and LSU with 1 loss will not get into the NCG. Signed 2004 Auburn
A 1 loss (against UO) LSU team that wins the SECCG will be guaranteed a spot in the NCG.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:38 pm to dbbuilder79
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The 1st 2 plays shown on that reel is the reason why I don't care for Chip Kelly. Harris is returning punts while Oregon is up 7 touchdowns in a shutout?? He was returning punts against a 4th string special teams. And to boot, NM's 1st string isn't even close to Oregon's 3rd string.
dbbuilder79- I realize you do not know these things because you have not followed UO football. But FYI, in that New Mexico game you knocked Chip Kelly for putting in Harris on Punt returns while UO was blowing out NM. FYI, Cliff Harris early on in the season was not even a starter- both at punt returning and CB. He was actually the 3rd string CB. (yes, that is how good out DB unit is). So in the game you mentioned, yes we were blowing out NM, but putting in Cliff Harris in the game was putting in our 3rd string. You need to know we have many, MANY guys that are awesome returners, kickoffs- or punts. Cliff is just one of them, out of 5, 6 or more.
My team finally wised up and let Cliff Harris do punt returns more and eventually made him the starter on CB as well. Yes true Cliff Harris made All American last year but people do not know that he was not a starter at first in our season last year. Again, you knocked Chip Kelly for putting in Harris in the end of that game vs NM. Cliffy was just a 3rd string guy at that time of the season. It was making so many plays as the season went that moved him to 1st string.
And you need to reexamine your myth notion that Chip Kelly just likes to run up the scores purposefully on others just for the hell of it. When we are blowing out teams you will see the 3rd and 4th stringers in there, as was the case of that game that you knocked Chip for, without having a clue what you were talking about.
I know there is this media myth out there that Chip Kelly just HAS TO run up some score. But that is not true. Take the Cal game for instance. While the media spun it as Cal only lost because they missed a late field goal, the truth was, that field goal was the first play of the 4th quarter. And UO missed field goals too in that game. And that whole 4th quarter UO just burned out the clock, running power. And with UO's timeouts left and near the goal line, UO could of easily scored again- either for a TD try, or an easy FG kick. But UO just took the knees, not caring if they won by 10 or by 2. You of course did not see this game, so you do not know the real truth of all this. But you might want to reserve your judgments until you have all the facts in order first.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 9:57 pm to rattlebucket
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Bigger impact as of this point in time has to go to Cliff. I really don't see how that can be debated right now. Can't just write off an All-American (both as DB and a returner) as if he's a bum like many on here seem to be doing but to each their own I guess. That said Cliff has been starting for 2 years and had more of an opportunity to prove himself. Not saying Cliff will for sure be better this coming season but if I were a betting man I'd still put my money on him.
GoDucks, you are right but you are also wrong. Cliff Harris did start a few games for us 2 years ago and most of the games last year. However, at first last year he was a 3rd stringer, both at PR and CB. UO wised up and finally turned him loose and let him do his thing, and I was happy. I personally thought even 2 years ago he is our best punt returner AND kickoff returner and he should be doing both, starting each time. But our coaching staff never listed to me, lol. But I think they know he is our best cause late in the BCS title game they put Cliffy in at Kickoff returns(which he rarely ever did).
Our CB's are awesome at Cover, and probably better then LSU's. However, LSU's CB's are way better at tackling and hitting and such. And as everybody knows, there are more run plays then pass plays. So all around, LSU's Corners may be better overall. However with Cover skills, we might have the edge. As far as returns skills. I would venture to say Cliffy is the best return man in CF right now. He is not the fastest guy in CF but he may be the quickest. To me Cliffy is the most exciting CF player I have watched since Reggie Bush and before him Rocket Ishmael. For just excitement factor watching a guy do a return I would rank, from what my eyes have seen much of, #1 Ishmael, #2 Bush, #3 Harris. Harris might not be in those other two guys league but is almost exciting to watch run.
LSU's DB's and Oregon's DB's just might be the best two units of such in CF this year. Who is better? Perhaps September will decide that. Both are awesome.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 10:13 pm to DucksflyinPAC
BTW LSU fans, I think Tyrann Mathieu is a stud. I would love to have him on my team. I think when that kid gets drafted he will draft higher then Harris will. I can easily envision in time much national rave about Tyrann Mathieu. He is very much an epic stud! And he's young so he's only going to get better in time!
Asking who will have more impact on the game between Harris and Tyrann Mathieu is like comparing 2 guys on a basketball team. The guy who scores most points gets all the attention, however it could be more of a impact on a game with a guy who rebounded or defended awesome and disrupted much. All the eyes and attention would probably go with the famous shooter who scored the points but the truth may of been more right about the guy who did the dirty work behind the scenes causing their team to win. And in this Football game it probably will be that. Tyrann Mathieu will probably not draw the eyes or attention as much, but truthfully he may of made more a impact. Just my personal opinion.
Asking who will have more impact on the game between Harris and Tyrann Mathieu is like comparing 2 guys on a basketball team. The guy who scores most points gets all the attention, however it could be more of a impact on a game with a guy who rebounded or defended awesome and disrupted much. All the eyes and attention would probably go with the famous shooter who scored the points but the truth may of been more right about the guy who did the dirty work behind the scenes causing their team to win. And in this Football game it probably will be that. Tyrann Mathieu will probably not draw the eyes or attention as much, but truthfully he may of made more a impact. Just my personal opinion.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:23 am to dbbuilder79
Cliff was the second string punt returner and Barner the first.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 1:25 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:27 am to cardee2003
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I never heard of Cliff Harris
I've heard of Cliff Harris, but I was thinking about this guy:
He doesn't look it, but he would try to decapitate any WR who came near him.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 9:00 am to Russell2Bowe
TM FO SHO! 
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