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I was in Louisville when Krags was there

Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:46 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:46 am
I followed those guys pretty closely but not nutso or anything.

That said, this is my two cents.

1)Petrino seemed to have really let that program get out of control. Sure, his teams were pretty decent but he'd sold his soul to get em there by taking stud players that most schools shied away from. This was talked about A LOT on sports radio(and I listened to a lot of sports radio). I can't recall how many players departed shortly after Krag's arrival but the numbers were pretty significant.

2)The defense already blew chunks pretty bad before Krags showed up. BUT, in his first year, they literally could stop NO ONE!. I mean, not even a little bit. I saw a few games in person and I swear to goodness, if the entire defensive backfield had been hurt and they just grabbed some young guys out of the stands to fill in, the opposing recievers could not have been MORE open than they already were. Hence, in most games, Louisville's offense went into instant "gotta pass" mode. They survived this a BIT because that year, they still had Brohm who was pretty decent.

3)In year 2, it was VERY obvious why Petrino had left as quick as he could. The MFer hadn't recruited AT ALL! The QBs left after Brohm were flat out embarrassing. So, while in year 1, Brohm was able to at least help save the incredibly bad defense, in year 2, there was no such help. You could've resurrected the Bear, put Saban in charge of the defense and Malzahn in charge of the Offense and that UL team would've STILL been VERY bad.

4)As we all know, an HC change can hurt recruiting the year it happens. When you coupled that the fall of for that class with the inevitable fall off that happened when recruits say the precipitous drop in performance in year 2, Krags was basically done before he got started.

I don't know if Krags will turn out as a good OC at LSU. What I think I can say with a pretty good amount of confidence is that his UL experience tells us more about Petrino than it does about Krags.
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:51 am to
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What I think I can say with a pretty good amount of confidence is that his UL experience tells us more about Petrino than it does about Krags

well that can't be right otherwise how can they argue that miles sucks for this hire?

go back and post with less reason and more gloom and doom.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1957 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:17 am to
Good post ShortyRob, thanks. This is what we've been gathering about the situation at UL inherited by Kragthorpe. Bare cupboard after Petrino plus off-field issues with the ones that were there.

The UL AD Jurich gave him little support (who can forget the "50/50 chance Kragthorpe will be at SMU next year" comment) and cut him before he had time to get the program back on sound footing. After only three years.

Jurich admitted as much after it was all over. That was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to abject panic.

Well, that's one thing Kragthorpe won't have to worry about at LSU. He will get all the support and loyalty he needs to be successful, and he will be successful here.

Great hire Coach Miles, welcome aboard Coach Kragthorpe.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
DC
Member since Dec 2008
8027 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:19 am to
Nice post.
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17900 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:20 am to
Nice post. Objective and follows what other folks from UL have said.

Posted by TallTex
Texas
Member since Aug 2010
181 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:24 am to
Thanks for the post. Good to hear. I'm getting more and more fired up about Kragthorpe every hour. We should have a damn strong Offense now!
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
943 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:44 am to
ShortyRob....your take on the situation fits with what I observed from afar. (You can see my post on the subject under "Kragthorpe at Louisville...here's the story.") Krags was dealing with a lot of inherited problems, and that first year Jurich pretty much insured that the D would be bad when he forced Krags to retain Cassidy. I still remember the shock I felt watching the Syracuse game that year, with the slowing dawning realization (like a slow motion kick in the gut) that the Cards were facing a disaster of a season, simply because the D couldn't stop ANYONE. The fact that so many UL fans (at least those on the message boards) thought all that was Krags' fault was really unfair. I'll be curious to see how he does as OC, but I'm glad he's getting a chance. He deserves one after what he had to deal with at UL.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 11:45 am
Posted by JermStone
Beaumont, Tx
Member since Jun 2008
5741 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:41 pm to
I think this may be a very good hire. We don't need 600yards a game. We need a ball control offense because we still have a dominant top ten defense! I think that gets lost a bit in this offensive discussion.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:51 pm to
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I think this may be a very good hire. We don't need 600yards a game. We need a ball control offense because we still have a dominant top ten defense! I think that gets lost a bit in this offensive discussion.


....may be a good hire.
but have to disagree with you in the ball control offense only.....

in SEC you get behind, you MUST be able to punch the ball down the field in chunks or the clock will run out on you.
you are also assuming that our D will stay consistent..it may / may not.. only the future will tell.
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:57 pm to
not digging this hire. Soe much for opening up the passing game. Back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust Cholly Mac days.
Posted by golf teaching pro
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
604 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:57 pm to
Fla got Weiss we got krags. I am not impressed! It's an improvement but our staff is perhaps 5th best in sec. Bama fla and auburn have far superior staffs.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:59 pm to
The truth...and optimistic view point, is that because someone sucks at HC, does not mean he will suck at OC....
I just wish I could find some positive tangibles of his OC work.... anyone / amywhere ???
what O does he like to run ??, etc
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 1:01 pm
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17900 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:01 pm to
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Back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust Cholly Mac days.


Was Cholly Mac the OC? Was Miles the Head Coach then? Geezus. Wanna' sell your tickets?
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:01 pm to
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Fla got Weiss we got krags. I am not impressed! It's an improvement but our staff is perhaps 5th best in sec. Bama fla and auburn have far superior staffs.


Weiss may surprise you as OC...if his personality does not get in the way.
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:22 pm to
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Was Cholly Mac the OC?

He called the plays from the sidelines and Miles has a propensity to run first just like Cholly Mac did. Lsu had FREAKIN Burt Jones and Cholly Mac still just ran the football. In fact he was alternating him at one poine. David Woodley as well with that loser Ensminger.
If you believe that all of tha shite was on Gary Crowton, you would be wrong 2008 was on Les Because he didn't have shite for a DC. 2009 since he runined JL he made JJ sit on the ball. The same can be said for this past season. We sucked AGAIN on O. Calling it like I see it. if we run the ball first and foremost that is on Les.
No to selling my tickets. Did that with Basketball last season. it is going to the shitter as well.
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17900 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:34 pm to
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if we run the ball first and foremost that is on Les.


Running the ball is essential to winning in the SEC, don't you think?

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No to selling my tickets.


Damn. Had to try though.

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Did that with Basketball last season. it is going to the shitter as well.




11-2 is going into the shitter?

Look, I can't see into the future like some here, but predicting gloom and doom before you even see the first offensive play from scrimmage is pretty silly, IMHO.

Let me know if you change your mind about those tickets.

Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:34 pm to
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Fla got Weiss we got krags. I am not impressed! It's an improvement but our staff is perhaps 5th best in sec. Bama fla and auburn have far superior staffs.


GTFO and DIAF.

LSU's defense was second in the SEC to UA's and only because LSU played a much tougher schedule.

Tiger special teams are very good year in and year out.

LSU's recruiting is top notch, currently #3 by Rivals.

Offense has been the only weak link. Let's give Krags a chance to show what he can do.

Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 5:04 pm to
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Running the ball is essential to winning in the SEC, don't you think?

Pass can set-up the run, Look at our last SEC game. But in general it is essential. Running 3 straight plays as I have seen Miles do on more than 1 occasion, is not always for the best.
Being able to slowdown adn stretch these SEC defense IMO is MORE important for LSU. Otherwise they will stack the box with 8 and we are in the same shape as we have been the past 2 seasons. At least in 2008 it was about blitzing the QB. The past 2 years, it has been soely about stopping the run because LSU Qb's would not throw the ball deep.

Selling my BBall tickets was because of the increased cost of Baseball and Football.
Only so many $$$ to go around.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21597 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 5:09 pm to
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Bama fla and auburn have far superior staffs.


yet we beat 2 out of 3 of those teams. lets see how great of a staff auburn has without cam next year.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 7:11 pm to
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Back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust Cholly Mac days.

At least Miles beats Bama and wins bowl games.

- No offense, Cholly...
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