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A Holistic View of Steve Kragthorpe

Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:40 pm
Posted by OBUDan
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:40 pm
Stat Chart

Did a little bit of digging on Kragthorpe's last tenure as a true OC.

Kragthorpe's tenure went from 1998-2000. He was preceded by Steve Marshall, who is now a offensive line coach. Kragthorpe served as the QB coach for the 1997 team, however.

The above chart indicates some interesting movement in stats. Here's my major takeaways:

1) The offense he inherited took a significant nose dive in production. Not sure what all happened in terms of personnel loss (offensive line), but the big decline was in rushing, where they were a vaunted 200 ypg attack in 1997.

2) The passing offense made significant strides under his watch. After a spike in rushing attempts his 1st season, he trended more towards balance.

3) The run game generally became more efficient, despite losing star Dante Hall.

4) Until recently, two of the most prolific QB seasons in A&M history came under his watch (McCown in 1999 and Mark Farris [a true sophomore] in 2000). Farris went downhill after Kragthorpe's departure.

5) After an initial dive, scoring averaged 28 ppg in his final two years. Yardage climbed each year under his watch.

6) Passing YPA stayed around the 7.5 mark throughout his time, a good sign, considering pass attempts increased.

7) Completion percentage declined each of his first two years but then increased when Farris, the true sophomore, took the reigns. Not sure what to make of that.

8) Glance around the rosters during his tenure, not exactly a who's who of talent. Dante Hall was a good APB back in college. Ja'Mar Toombs was basically a big plodder that never had a 1,000 yard season. Bethel Johnson was a high draft pick based on speed, but never materialized. None of his QBs had any sort of pro potential.

Here's a solid read. From a respected blogger about Kragthorpe trying to right the offensive ship at Louisville.

Another good piece on Kragthorpe

One of the articles above mentions that Kragthorpe was also the playcaller/QB coach at Boston College in 1996.

Obviously, he's not the next Bill Walsh. But the guy has gobs of experience and has worked with some very experienced and talented offensive coaches (Kevin Gilbride, Dan Henning).

Obviously his tenure at Louisville was an out and out failure (for whatever reason), but to judge a coach based solely on one failed stop is a bit silly.

This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:42 pm to
"wholistic"?
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:44 pm to
Yeah, I fricked that up.

ETA: Although the wiki for "holism" does say it evolved to "wholism" in the 90s to further clarify the term.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 2:47 pm
Posted by prplngldtigr
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:51 pm to
good work, as usual.

Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:55 pm to
I like how one of the negatiger's flavor of the month Kevin Sumlin succeeded him and the offense went down. The same guys who hate krags would go crazy if we had sumlin
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 2:56 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:01 pm to
I'm not sure what happened Sumlin's first year, but they were terrible.

Same QB coming off what was at the time, the most prolific season in Aggie QB history, and they were embarrassing (those are like LSU 2009 numbers).

Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:06 pm to
Dan, great series of posts about the possible OCs. Thanks a ton for doing all this work.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

I'm not sure what happened Sumlin's first year, but they were terrible.

Same QB coming off what was at the time, the most prolific season in Aggie QB history, and they were embarrassing (those are like LSU 2009 numbers).



Yeah and I still think Sumlin is a good coach, but its just funny that the negatigers who claim to be "objective" run Krags down and a guy they love did MUCH worse with almost the same personnel. There are guys out there who may be a little better/more exciting then Krags but the agrokrag wouldnt be a bad hire.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

Obviously his tenure at Louisville was an out and out failure (for whatever reason), but to judge a coach based solely on one failed stop is a bit silly.


If we can crucify Crowton for his BYU years then why cant we do the same for Kragthorpe?
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

If we can crucify Crowton for his BYU years then why cant we do the same for Kragthorpe?



I think Gary is crucified for wrecking BYU, then trending downward at Oregon (which followed suit here at LSU).

You can crucify whoever you'd like... I just choose not to judge a coach based off one stop and try to look at the broader picture.
Posted by Weaver
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Steve Kragthorpe


Gary Crowton Part Duh?
Posted by ktowner128
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

If we can crucify Crowton for his BYU years then why cant we do the same for Kragthorpe?


Crowton had a similar fall from grace at Oregon, though.
Posted by Ninja Looter
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

"wholistic"?


Nope, holistic is actually correct. Merriam Webster
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Nope, holistic is actually correct. Merriam Webster



He was quoting what I had originally.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:33 pm to
per Sumlin's bio:

quote:

Three games into the 2002 campaign, Sumlin was thrust into the offensive coordinator role, and the Aggies averaged 33.0 points per game after posting just 16.0 ppg before he took control. Working in his new position, the Aggies knocked off No. 1 Oklahoma, while the offense averaged 419 yards per game after netting an average of 286 yards in the season's first three contests.


so back up off my boy! seriously, was he co-OC or something?
Posted by Boh
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:34 pm to
great post
Posted by Ninja Looter
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

He was quoting what I had originally.


I see. Assuming Kragthorpe is hired, I'm all on board. I think he will do great with LSU's talent.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:37 pm to
Good work, as always.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

so back up off my boy! seriously, was he co-OC or something?


Hmmm, I dunno.

I was doing my best to track down that coaching history, but the best I could find was under RC Slocum's wiki they had his "Coaching Tree" and it listed:

Kevin Sumlin, A&M offensive coordinator 2001–02, current University of Houston head coach
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:40 pm to
Kragthorpe isn't a sexy name.

But Miles doesn't need to win the press conference. He needs to win the hire. He won the press conference when he re-upped and received adulation.

I'm not in love with Kragthorpe, but his track record is solid (at worst), and he's a well thought of guy.
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