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re: LSU'S last three years...Just a bare bones look....
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:09 pm to Baloo
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:09 pm to Baloo
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Oops. I have been trying to keep it on SEC records since my first post in this thread. I did mention overall records because YOU did, and I objected to how you misleadingly presented the data. and then I brought it back to SEC records for the reasons already mentioned.
Apology accepted.
Baloo, I haven't read all your posts in this thread. Just the ones directed at me. Which started off with combining years 2009 and 2010 as a whole and coming up with a winning %. Nothing to apologize for.
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Way to misrepresent an argument! We're not comparing Miles to another coach, we're looking at his performance at LSU. So, if you asked, did the UCF coach did a good job this season? And I'd say, 10 wins and conference title... certainly he did. For those are objective criteria. We don't need to get into the relative strength of schools, because we're only looking at LSU. I care if LSU wins. We absolutely can argue "what is the level of winning which constitutes succes at LSU", but that is not your argument. Your argument is that the wins he has acheived aren't impressive enough. Not the total, but how they were acheived.
You have said 10x's in this thread a win is a win.
Why does it matter if its UCF or LSU, if the opponent does not matter?
You have thrown EVERY other outside variable out of the equation already by your statements. A win is a win is a win is a win is a win is a win is a win.
I am saying you absolutely have to judge the quality of the opponent.
Unless you are agreeing with me, you have no feet to stand on here.
UCF's 11 win season is better than Bama's 10 win season. A win is a win, that's all that matters. And UCF won more than Bama did.
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And once again, we're not comparing Miles to anyone. We're looking at his performance, not making a comp. I
Have you not been comparing Miles SEC records by year to one another?
Do you not realize by saying his 2009 SEC season is equal to the rest of his great seasons, that you are comparing them all?
Things change year to year dude. Even in the SEC. Ole Miss was 0-8 in the conf a few years ago. Miss St was a cellar dweller. UGA was good a few years ago and playing in sugar bowls. Now they arent good. Same with Tenn.
To act like there can be no outside variable to determine his success other than wins if foolish.
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Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Lester Earl
quote:The opponent does matter, which is why I've thrown out OOC games, so we're not looking at games in which LSU can manipulate their schedule into rent a wins.
Why does it matter if its UCF or LSU, if the opponent does not matter?
quote:But we're looking at overall SEC performance. Teams go up and down, but the SEC's quality has been pretty constant. I have not argued "he beat Team X so therefore he was successful." I'm looking at how he did against the SEC, the toughest conference in the land, on a year-in, year-out basis. Unless you're arguing that the SEC's quality suddenly dipped for one year and one year only. But you have not made that argument, and in fact, given the chance to make it, you backed down from it.
Things change year to year dude. Even in the SEC. Ole Miss was 0-8 in the conf a few years ago. Miss St was a cellar dweller. UGA was good a few years ago and playing in sugar bowls. Now they arent good. Same with Tenn.
The reason, from the beginning, i've been trying to use just the SEC schedule is that it removes the variance of strength of schedule. The SEC schedule LSU plays is roughly the same each year in overall quality.
Given that roughly similar quality in SOS, I then compare his record. I'm not giving style points, I'm trying to use objective criteria, and you're trying to make the Chewbacca defense. The UCF-Bama example is just a misrepresentation of my argument, as it literally does the OPPOSITE of my intent. It goes against the exact reason I used SEC records from year to year.
We don't judge coaches on one game, it's the overall record. Saban once lost to UAB, it does not make him a bad coach. Using you're "significant win" argument, LSU could go 1-11, but be considered succesful if the one win was against Florida or Bama. That's absurd. It's the totality of the record.
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