re: LSU'S last three years...Just a bare bones look....

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You sure did originally. You were quoting winning percentages from the last 2 years, which obviously include OOC games.

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Here's my first post in this thread:

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Yes, to move the goalposts and keep criticizing Miles for having a mediocre team in 2008, the only one of his tenure. This is the same logic that allowed people to go on about 8-8 in the last two years all last offseason.

Well, let's use the same metric if that's such a good one: LSU is 11-5 in the last two years. That's pretty darn good.

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Oops. I have been trying to keep it on SEC records since my first post in this thread. I did mention overall records because YOU did, and I objected to how you misleadingly presented the data. and then I brought it back to SEC records for the reasons already mentioned.

Apology accepted.

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Is that something to brag about?

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Well, as I said earlier, it won't go down in the annals of LSU history, but yeah... there's braggable material there.

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Or Do you want me to do that math and prove that this 5-3 SEC isn't close to our other seasons with 5 and 6 wins?

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Yes, I would. Asking me to line things up without scale is also misleading. Order these numbers in order: 5 4 3 9 2

Using you logic, 5 is closer in value to 9 than 2.

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You don't care that we beat no good teams, like we did in the other years that you are trying to compare this season too. It just helps your argument because "WINS AND LOSSES IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!". Screw the facts!!!!

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No, its because I want objective criteria to rate his performance. I don't objetc to criticism of Miles, I object to the ever-shifting standards of the criticism. Coaches get hired and fired on wins and losses. I'm sorry, but that is the fact.

And I'm not ignoring facts, I just choose to think the ones you are bringing up are either irrelevant or not as big of a deal as you insist.

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You are not a bottom line guy. We've debated for years on here about things, mostly baseball. You are not a bottom line guy. I dont know how you can say that other than you think it helps your argument here.

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Are you seriously going to argue that in baseball arguments I oppose objective measurements? I'm one of the biggest fans of using the statistical record instead of our lying eyes.

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You don't say in your baseball HOF arguments that Player A is better than Player B soley because he has more HRs....Or more All Star appearances.... You never do. Now you want to throw out all variables when we are comparing seasons in football and fail to look at the facts? And that you are a bottom line guy now? C'mon, man!

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But that's because we're not comparing Player A to Player B. And I absolutely believe in context, which is why we're looking at SEC records, to provide that context. I look at the numbers that matter, but I certainly don't say Player A was better than Player B because he had more "significant" home runs. I don't rate the home runs. McGwire doesn't get bonus points for crushing the ball 50 feet over the fence. It counts the same.

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did UCF have a better football season than Alabama this year? Hey, they won 11 games to Bama's 10 games. that's all I care about is wins and losses.....RIght?

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Way to misrepresent an argument! We're not comparing Miles to another coach, we're looking at his performance at LSU. So, if you asked, did the UCF coach did a good job this season? And I'd say, 10 wins and conference title... certainly he did. For those are objective criteria. We don't need to get into the relative strength of schools, because we're only looking at LSU. I care if LSU wins. We absolutely can argue "what is the level of winning which constitutes succes at LSU", but that is not your argument. Your argument is that the wins he has acheived aren't impressive enough. Not the total, but how they were acheived.

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s Jamie Moyer a better pitcher than Pedro Martinez? I mean, he has more wins. Or are you only a bottom line guy and throw out all variables in football discussions?

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Well, a pitcher doesn't have much control whether he wins or loses. A coach absolutely IS judged on his wins and losses. That's the data we have. And once again, we're not comparing Miles to anyone. We're looking at his performance, not making a comp. If the question was: is Jamie Moyer a great pitcher? I would look at his actual accomplishments to determine an answer. I wouldn't talk about how his fastball looks (slow). I'd talk about how successful he was or wasn't.