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lsumatt and Colley Future Polls Released
Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:59 pm
The Colley Future Poll is my prediction of the actual Colley Matrix computer poll used in the BCS. It uses the actual formula for that poll, but assumes the higher ranked team wins all remaining games this season. Of course upsets will happen, but gives great insight into how to teams might compare with each other at season's end in the computers. Right now the future poll looks like:
Colley Future Poll
1. Missouri (13-0)
2. Auburn (13-0)
3. MSU (12-0)
4. TCU (12-0)
5. Boise (12-0)
6. LSU (11-1)
7. OU (11-2)
8. Oregon (12-0)
9. FSU (11-1)
10. Utah (11-1)
A few surprises:
1) Missouri may finish above AU in the computers. And a 1-loss big 12 team could finish above a 1-loss SEC team
2) Boise and TCU are holding their own
3) Oregon is NOT liked by the computers. In fact, the computers believe Oregon plays an even easier schedule than Boise/TCU!
========================================================
Several of your fellow posters have created their own Computer poll (Tuba101, xiv, Slackster, myself, etc.). Many of these polls work very similar to the BCS computer polls and some are just as legit (and maybe better) than those polls. Slackster,xiv,tuba, etc. feel free to send me your polls to add to this.
The lsumatt TOP 10
1. Auburn
2. Michigan State
3. Missouri
4. TCU
5. Boise
6. Oregon
7. OU
8. Wisconsin
9. LSU
10. Utah
THE BASICS
The basic principle is that when two teams play, there is always a chance either team will win The computer poll determines each teams ranking in such a way that the number of games thy actually won is equal to the number of games they were expected to win based on their rating and the rating of the teams they played. Each team is rated on a scale from 1.0 (very good) to 0.0 (very bad). If two teams play each other that have the same ranking, there is a 50% probability each team will win. If the best team (r =1.0) plays the worst team (r=0.0), then there is a 99.9% chance that the better team will win. Moreover, when a really good team plays a bad team, it makes little difference if they are the 120th best team or the 90th best team. This is taken into account, as the probability a team with r=0.1 beats r=1.0 isn’t much better than a team with r=0.
THE UGLY MATH
A probability of a victory versus the difference in rating of team “i” and team “j”. The curve can be described by a “sigmoid” equation:
(1)
Where ri and rj are the ratings of the two teams. Now the trick is to determine how many games a team was supposed to win. Suppose a team (LSU) had a rating r=0.9 and they played 3 games; Florida with r=0.95 (43% chance of winning), Auburn with r= 0.8 (64% chance of winning), and Miss State with r=0.45 (93% chance of winning), then they would be expected to have 2 wins (0.43+0.64+0.93=2) and be 2-1 overall. So in summary, the number of expected wins for team “i” is just the sum of all the game probabilities, which will always be less than the number of games they have played (N).
(2)
One catch is that no team is ever expected to be undefeated, because there is never a 100% chance of wining any one game. So even if you are a “perfect” team and played 10 games against awful teams, you would be expected to have 9.9 wins, not 10. To avoid this problem, I assume every team starts out 1-1; beating an imaginary terrible team (r=0) and losing to an imaginary “perfect” team (r=1.0).
In the above example with LSU we knew the teams rating and calculated their expected wins. But we actually know their wins and want to know their rating. So we can write Equation 2 for every team in college football (120) and substitute the number of games they actually won for “Wins”. If LSU were 2-1 (3-2 when you include that 1-1 start) in the above example, their equation would look like:
But we don’t know the rating of team i (LSU) or the ratings of the teams it played (UF, AU, or MSU). In fact there are 120 teams ratings we don’t know, but we do have 120 very complicated equations. Lucky for us, Isaac Newton and others have found ways of solving systems of nonlinear equations (see the movie “21” with Kevin Spacey?). Using them we can calculate the ratings of each team in college football and sort them from highest to lowest.
SOME DETAILS
A few things:
1. There is no home/away component yet. But that is easy, I think maybe I will just say that the home team is 10% more likely to win. So if there is a 50% chance of winning on a neutral field, its 55% at home.
2. I have debated how to handle 1AA schools. First, I ignored those games altogether but that wasn’t good (what if a 1A team lost?) Then I thought to just set the rating of all 1AA teams to 0. That wasn’t fair either as many 1AA teams are better than 1A teams. Finally I decided to rank all the 1AA teams independently (from 1.0 to 0.0) and then re-scale it by subtracting by 0.75. So the “best” 1AA team has a rating of 0.25 and the worst of -0.75.
3. The “6” used in the sigmoid equation is arbitrary; I chose it so that the probabilities match what I thought they should be for a #1 team playing a #10 team, etc. If I had time, I think it would be neat to get a bunch of historical data and choose a value that matches the curve.
4. It is possible for a team to be rated slightly higher than 1.0 or lower than 0.0. But that is no big deal.
Colley Future Poll
1. Missouri (13-0)
2. Auburn (13-0)
3. MSU (12-0)
4. TCU (12-0)
5. Boise (12-0)
6. LSU (11-1)
7. OU (11-2)
8. Oregon (12-0)
9. FSU (11-1)
10. Utah (11-1)
A few surprises:
1) Missouri may finish above AU in the computers. And a 1-loss big 12 team could finish above a 1-loss SEC team
2) Boise and TCU are holding their own
3) Oregon is NOT liked by the computers. In fact, the computers believe Oregon plays an even easier schedule than Boise/TCU!
========================================================
Several of your fellow posters have created their own Computer poll (Tuba101, xiv, Slackster, myself, etc.). Many of these polls work very similar to the BCS computer polls and some are just as legit (and maybe better) than those polls. Slackster,xiv,tuba, etc. feel free to send me your polls to add to this.
The lsumatt TOP 10
1. Auburn
2. Michigan State
3. Missouri
4. TCU
5. Boise
6. Oregon
7. OU
8. Wisconsin
9. LSU
10. Utah
THE BASICS
The basic principle is that when two teams play, there is always a chance either team will win The computer poll determines each teams ranking in such a way that the number of games thy actually won is equal to the number of games they were expected to win based on their rating and the rating of the teams they played. Each team is rated on a scale from 1.0 (very good) to 0.0 (very bad). If two teams play each other that have the same ranking, there is a 50% probability each team will win. If the best team (r =1.0) plays the worst team (r=0.0), then there is a 99.9% chance that the better team will win. Moreover, when a really good team plays a bad team, it makes little difference if they are the 120th best team or the 90th best team. This is taken into account, as the probability a team with r=0.1 beats r=1.0 isn’t much better than a team with r=0.
THE UGLY MATH
A probability of a victory versus the difference in rating of team “i” and team “j”. The curve can be described by a “sigmoid” equation:
(1)
Where ri and rj are the ratings of the two teams. Now the trick is to determine how many games a team was supposed to win. Suppose a team (LSU) had a rating r=0.9 and they played 3 games; Florida with r=0.95 (43% chance of winning), Auburn with r= 0.8 (64% chance of winning), and Miss State with r=0.45 (93% chance of winning), then they would be expected to have 2 wins (0.43+0.64+0.93=2) and be 2-1 overall. So in summary, the number of expected wins for team “i” is just the sum of all the game probabilities, which will always be less than the number of games they have played (N).
(2)
One catch is that no team is ever expected to be undefeated, because there is never a 100% chance of wining any one game. So even if you are a “perfect” team and played 10 games against awful teams, you would be expected to have 9.9 wins, not 10. To avoid this problem, I assume every team starts out 1-1; beating an imaginary terrible team (r=0) and losing to an imaginary “perfect” team (r=1.0).
In the above example with LSU we knew the teams rating and calculated their expected wins. But we actually know their wins and want to know their rating. So we can write Equation 2 for every team in college football (120) and substitute the number of games they actually won for “Wins”. If LSU were 2-1 (3-2 when you include that 1-1 start) in the above example, their equation would look like:
But we don’t know the rating of team i (LSU) or the ratings of the teams it played (UF, AU, or MSU). In fact there are 120 teams ratings we don’t know, but we do have 120 very complicated equations. Lucky for us, Isaac Newton and others have found ways of solving systems of nonlinear equations (see the movie “21” with Kevin Spacey?). Using them we can calculate the ratings of each team in college football and sort them from highest to lowest.
SOME DETAILS
A few things:
1. There is no home/away component yet. But that is easy, I think maybe I will just say that the home team is 10% more likely to win. So if there is a 50% chance of winning on a neutral field, its 55% at home.
2. I have debated how to handle 1AA schools. First, I ignored those games altogether but that wasn’t good (what if a 1A team lost?) Then I thought to just set the rating of all 1AA teams to 0. That wasn’t fair either as many 1AA teams are better than 1A teams. Finally I decided to rank all the 1AA teams independently (from 1.0 to 0.0) and then re-scale it by subtracting by 0.75. So the “best” 1AA team has a rating of 0.25 and the worst of -0.75.
3. The “6” used in the sigmoid equation is arbitrary; I chose it so that the probabilities match what I thought they should be for a #1 team playing a #10 team, etc. If I had time, I think it would be neat to get a bunch of historical data and choose a value that matches the curve.
4. It is possible for a team to be rated slightly higher than 1.0 or lower than 0.0. But that is no big deal.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:04 pm to lsumatt
quote:
7. OU (11-2)
Should be 11-1 right? Or am I missing something?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:05 pm to JackTMed
quote:
Should be 11-1 right? Or am I missing something?
I have them losing to Missouri in the Big 12 CG
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:14 pm to lsumatt
Okay, now you're just showing off...
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:31 pm to lsumatt
Excellent work. I like your Top 10 better than Colley's. I hope that we see another SEC National Champion this year.............just not BAMA. Thanks for the hard work and insight. 
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:46 pm to Acreboy
nice work!
What is our ranking if we lose Alabama game?
What is our ranking if we lose Alabama game?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:50 pm to lsumatt
In the future poll, doesn't one have to make assumptions as to what the opponents of these teams do as well?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 9:53 pm to Bullethead88
quote:
In the future poll, doesn't one have to make assumptions as to what the opponents of these teams do as well?
A winner of every remaining game in college football was assumed by saying whichever team is ranked higher today will win.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:23 pm to lsumatt
Matt,
Am I missing something. Where is Bama? Shouldn't they beat LSU (as higher ranked team), making us 10-2 at end?
Am I missing something. Where is Bama? Shouldn't they beat LSU (as higher ranked team), making us 10-2 at end?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:28 pm to purple passion
quote:
Am I missing something. Where is Bama? Shouldn't they beat LSU (as higher ranked team), making us 10-2 at end?
I used the current Colley Rankings which was easier for me. LSU is above Bama in Colley. Besides, this is more fun when I assume LSU wins. If I get a chance I will look at the case where AU loses twice and LSU sneaks into the SECCG.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 10:36 pm to lsumatt
quote:
A winner of every remaining game in college football was assumed by saying whichever team is ranked higher today will win.
Sorry. Didn't read it carefully.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 11:20 pm to lsumatt
Very nice formulation Matt! I like it! You might want to use data to handle your 4 bullet points at the end.
I suggest taking all the conference games for BCS schools and see what the winning percentage is.
Once the 1AA teams are ranked, you could use a single rescale variable and calculate the best value for this as if it were team 121.
Once again... very nice work!
quote:
1. There is no home/away component yet. But that is easy, I think maybe I will just say that the home team is 10% more likely to win. So if there is a 50% chance of winning on a neutral field, its 55% at home.
I suggest taking all the conference games for BCS schools and see what the winning percentage is.
quote:
Finally I decided to rank all the 1AA teams independently (from 1.0 to 0.0) and then re-scale it by subtracting by 0.75. So the “best” 1AA team has a rating of 0.25 and the worst of -0.75.
Once the 1AA teams are ranked, you could use a single rescale variable and calculate the best value for this as if it were team 121.
Once again... very nice work!
Posted on 10/28/10 at 12:45 am to lsumatt
One good thing is, I feel certain every team in the Big 12 will lose twice.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 5:46 am to lsumatt
My head hurts now.
Good work Dr. lsumatt.
Good work Dr. lsumatt.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 7:24 am to lsumatt
Ok lsumatt, lets say things play out and all the undefeated teams finish undefeated, does Oregon make or not make the BCS NC game?
Posted on 10/28/10 at 7:43 am to JackTMed
A 2-loss OU is ranked higher than undefeated Oregon? Wow.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:34 am to Rockerbraves
quote:depends on what the other computers do.
does Oregon make or not make the BCS NC game?
no team has ever made it to the BCSNCG with an average computer ranking lower than 7th.
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