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The state of LSU football and the last 4th down play.....
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:39 am
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:39 am
In the biggest game of the year, primetime national TV, clock/game management in the spotlight, the world waiting to see if LSU can do the unthinkable which is.....Get a timeout at the right time and get the play called and the personnel needed to run an efficient well designed and executed play...
and the results were............
Complete FAILURE. THe coaches didn't know, the receivers didn't know, no one except for J lee knew the formation and personnel were wrong. Tolliver, a senior, was the worst of all teh players. He was lined up on the wrong side and was clueless. I ask you to watch the play again and watch what TT did, he ran about 3 yds and stopped and did NOTHING when Lee was running for his life.
People, LSU football will continue to be mediocre until something drastic is done with this staff. THey aren't capable of coaching at this level anymore!
Just remember, 4th and 5, A TIMEOUT CALLED, and we didn't even get 11 men on the field!
and the results were............
Complete FAILURE. THe coaches didn't know, the receivers didn't know, no one except for J lee knew the formation and personnel were wrong. Tolliver, a senior, was the worst of all teh players. He was lined up on the wrong side and was clueless. I ask you to watch the play again and watch what TT did, he ran about 3 yds and stopped and did NOTHING when Lee was running for his life.
People, LSU football will continue to be mediocre until something drastic is done with this staff. THey aren't capable of coaching at this level anymore!
Just remember, 4th and 5, A TIMEOUT CALLED, and we didn't even get 11 men on the field!
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:42 am to the LSUSaint
Everything you said x1000000000000
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:42 am to the LSUSaint
Do you expect anything different? Why does the whole team need to go to the sidelines. What happen to just taking a knee on the field, and the qb runs back onto the field and calls the play.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:43 am to the LSUSaint
I generally agree with this assesment of that play. We do have a serious problem with our offensive coordinator, who should be done this year.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:44 am to the LSUSaint
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clock/game management in the spotlight
It wasn't clock management, it was a substitution issue.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:50 am to c on z
People who only want to blame the OC are crazy. If everyone can't see the same f ups by this coachimg staff over and over again have their heads in the sand. There are better high school coaches around the state than Miles and Company.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:53 am to c on z
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clock/game management in the spotlight
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[quote]It wasn't clock management, it was a substitution issue
I think clock/game manangement covers it. A substitution issue at that critical point of the game (after a timeout) is clearly poor game management.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:55 am to the LSUSaint
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we didn't even get 11 men on the field!
that was designed trickery by the madhatter. he tried the substiroosky again, but unfortunately auburn didn't change personnel when Shep entered from the sidelines.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:56 am to DONHOGG
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People who only want to blame the OC are crazy. If everyone can't see the same f ups by this coachimg staff over and over again have their heads in the sand. There are better high school coaches around the state than Miles and Company.
Sad, but true. Game management is attrocious. I like what Oregons coach said, "We don't get nervous because we are prepared and know what we are doing." Compare this to what you see on the field with LSU. Lack of confidence, no one seems to know what to do. No cohesion, a lame game plan, and they aren't great at a single thing. LSU is so so at a lot of different things. This equals good at nothing and the scoreboard shows that.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 9:59 am to DONHOGG
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There are better high school coaches around the state than Miles and Company
You must be talking about the Ex-High School coach that racked up 500+ yards on us last night?
Posted on 10/24/10 at 10:01 am to the LSUSaint
It is a breakdown between Crowton and all of his personnel packages and getting the play called to the QB.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 10:04 am to blueTunaTiger
Tuna get Miles nuts off your chin so you can see what is really happening.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 10:04 am to c on z
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It wasn't clock management
It was play clock management - something that was done poorly the entire game.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 10:10 am to the LSUSaint
That play is embarrassing to watch. Indefensible. QB might has well have been out there by himself.
This post was edited on 10/24/10 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/24/10 at 10:11 am to the LSUSaint
AND... Les continues to pick his nose on National Television
This post was edited on 10/24/10 at 10:12 am
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:15 am to MiaTigah
I'm paraphrasing but, verne used the word "chaos" and gerry said "...and that's chaos coming out of a timeout"
we all know what happened next.
We robbed ourselves of that drive, and unlike last year at bama when peterson had the pick to set up a late drive, last year in tuscaloosa , the refs plus the replay supervisor (a paid bama booster club speaker, but that's another topic) did the taking. Saturday's 4th and 6 fiasco is all our own undoing. The coaches need to blame only themselves.
And fallouts like these ARE coaching. For moments like 4th and 6. Timout LSU. Our offensive unit needs a system, any will do, to getting the team gathered, verbally coached up, and back onto the field, all 11 of them, after timeouts, and that can go for getting on the field for the first offensive play of a series/the game/half. We have nothing. And what may seem like a minor detail; what may seem like something we can freelance bites us at the worst time. Of course.
That's on the coaches. Little details are not being thought through. That's why this thread is a great one. Miles and crowton should be crushed pubically for the post timeout song and dance. At that moment we had a "hey everybody come here...listen up...OK...got it...good...go get 'em...oh shite" kind of deal; when a displicined team/staff would have a regimented, practiced method in place, a proven plan which includes accountability. By accountability I mean you russell shepard. I mean the bench waits for the player who engages in those kinds of screw ups. The staff clearly communicates to the player, who knows the punnishment, and the player is held accountable. Voila, a disciplined culture emerges.
That ten men, late entry, toliver this way-that way, lee carry (and yes we should have before the ball was snapped taken a second timeout) that "what the hell moment" folks is a microcosm of not thinking things through and not thinking about all scenarios.
I'm embarrassed. Too often I'm embarrassed.
we all know what happened next.
We robbed ourselves of that drive, and unlike last year at bama when peterson had the pick to set up a late drive, last year in tuscaloosa , the refs plus the replay supervisor (a paid bama booster club speaker, but that's another topic) did the taking. Saturday's 4th and 6 fiasco is all our own undoing. The coaches need to blame only themselves.
And fallouts like these ARE coaching. For moments like 4th and 6. Timout LSU. Our offensive unit needs a system, any will do, to getting the team gathered, verbally coached up, and back onto the field, all 11 of them, after timeouts, and that can go for getting on the field for the first offensive play of a series/the game/half. We have nothing. And what may seem like a minor detail; what may seem like something we can freelance bites us at the worst time. Of course.
That's on the coaches. Little details are not being thought through. That's why this thread is a great one. Miles and crowton should be crushed pubically for the post timeout song and dance. At that moment we had a "hey everybody come here...listen up...OK...got it...good...go get 'em...oh shite" kind of deal; when a displicined team/staff would have a regimented, practiced method in place, a proven plan which includes accountability. By accountability I mean you russell shepard. I mean the bench waits for the player who engages in those kinds of screw ups. The staff clearly communicates to the player, who knows the punnishment, and the player is held accountable. Voila, a disciplined culture emerges.
That ten men, late entry, toliver this way-that way, lee carry (and yes we should have before the ball was snapped taken a second timeout) that "what the hell moment" folks is a microcosm of not thinking things through and not thinking about all scenarios.
I'm embarrassed. Too often I'm embarrassed.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:45 am to the LSUSaint
That's Les Miles football
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:10 am to DONHOGG
can we do like in pee wee football and in timeouts go and line up everyone in the correct position???? MAN WTF
And if we would have won that game we would have been 1st in the BCS??????
And if we would have won that game we would have been 1st in the BCS??????
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:14 am to the LSUSaint
first of all, it was 4th and 6...
Second, I think the confusion was planned in an attempt to confuse AU in order to get TT wide open.
HOWEVER!!! TT ran a hook route instead of a slant! Go back and watch it. Murphy goes in motion thereby pulling Bynes to the opposite side of the field, leaving the middle of the field wide the frick open and TT in a one-on-one advantage...yet he runs a hook route ending up 4 yds. short even if the play wouldn't have busted and Lee could have somehow gotten the ball to him.
I think it was planned...just my opinion. I hate the coaches though, so this is not a biased opinion FWIW! I just think the coaches wanted to use their reputation of mass confusion as an advantage
Second, I think the confusion was planned in an attempt to confuse AU in order to get TT wide open.
HOWEVER!!! TT ran a hook route instead of a slant! Go back and watch it. Murphy goes in motion thereby pulling Bynes to the opposite side of the field, leaving the middle of the field wide the frick open and TT in a one-on-one advantage...yet he runs a hook route ending up 4 yds. short even if the play wouldn't have busted and Lee could have somehow gotten the ball to him.
I think it was planned...just my opinion. I hate the coaches though, so this is not a biased opinion FWIW! I just think the coaches wanted to use their reputation of mass confusion as an advantage
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:16 am to DONHOGG
that's funny. I believe miles is now ranked third in winning % in college football over the last 5+ years by active college football coaches. Hell, I know though, coaching has nothing to do with wins/losses.
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