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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Probably.
My guess is that Miles will start JJ unless JJ gets a leg amputated and give Lee a series or two in the first half, possibly the second. Lee will only become important if the passing game is necessary for LSU to get back into a contest.
I have made it clear how I would work it. JJ needs me time to work through whatever has him jacked up.
Lee should be the guy, with JJ as the change of pace guy.
That said, both of them are pretty terrible. . .but Lee seems to be less of a headcase at the moment.
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Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:00 am to dreaux
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how the hell can anyone defend JJ? all you have to do is open your eyes.
I am not defending JJ, but making a prediction on what I think will happen. Problem is if Lee comes in and has a bad game, some of the bitches that inhabit TS will boo his arse too. I think its best to keep both QB's fresh and think JL gives LSU a better chance to win via the arm, but think Miles has decided, probably before the season started that JJ is his guy.
I think Les and Crowton have predetermined and offensive gameplan for the year. I don't think they have the ability to change their way of thinking.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:47 am to LSUMafia
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Two of those runs were runs where Ridley just broke loose under JJ for 29 and 20 yards. Great blocking for once had to do with those runs, not the fact JJ was in there.
I think you are downplaying the fact that the defense has to honor JJ as a runner... particularly after getting burned for 83 yards by him earlier.
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JJ wasn't why they blocked better for Ridley. It's one game and his 2 big runs just happened to come on JJ's drives.
You may be right. I said I'll come back with the data next week regardless of what it shows. It is a small sample size, so probably nothing we can draw conclusive evidence from at this point.
But I wasn't trying to draw anything conclusive from it. I was merely stating that at least for this game, the run game worked better with him in there so maybe that is why the staff feels like he needs to keep playing.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:52 am to Tigerloo
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See, here's where you're trying to use stats to make a point, but your argument breaks down and you completely change your position. You say that Jefferson is operating a better running game (or something to that effect) and should get the credit, but when that running game breaks down it's not his fault.
Fair enough, I can see how you could interpret what I said that way. The play with Ford had zero chance... the blocking was terrible.
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I say he is only partially responsible and therefore does not get all the credit, so the stats don't support your conclusion. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but your stats are just stats, they do not make a point.
In all likelihood, this is nothing, I just thought it was interesting. I honestly wasn't trying to make a point, I just found it to be interesting.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 12:58 am to OBUDan
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In all likelihood, this is nothing, I just thought it was interesting.
I find it interesting as well. I would say about 98-99% of fans in the stadium or at home watching the game would tell you that they think JL should be the full time, or at least 60-80% of the time QB. However, when you break down the stats, it is a wash. But the stats have go to be taken within the context of the game, and when you do that, it is still obvious who is a better QB, and that is Lee. The fact of the matter is that any area where JJ>>JL, RS>>>>>JJ, so why even play JJ?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:00 am to LSUdm21
Game winning drives JL 1
Posted on 10/7/10 at 1:14 am to slackster
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The fact of the matter is that any area where JJ>>JL, RS>>>>>JJ, so why even play JJ?
As a passer Lee is much better obviously.
As far as a running option at QB, while I don't doubt that Shep would you give more explosiveness, I think there's something to be said for JJ actually operating a run game (making an audible out of a bad play etc.) over Shep.
But I don't see why we can't teach Shep those things.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 3:31 am to OBUDan
frick the Stats ...
I watched the game. I saw a leader that led This Team. Thank You Jarrett Lee.
I watched the game. I saw a leader that led This Team. Thank You Jarrett Lee.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 7:55 am to guttata
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Without Lee, LSU loses to Tenn. End of thread
Amen, if we had not had the passing game come alive with Lee it is over and done with no win.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 8:15 am to jasonthetiger
I think the QB's splitting time is the best option right now.
Personally, I don't want Lee slinging the ball around too much against Fla. Fla is very good in the secondary.
Our best option in this game will probably be to control the ground game and I think JJ is better at that.
The key to this game will be the OL performing well. While the OL is better, they still have a ways to go, especially in pass protection.
Personally, I don't want Lee slinging the ball around too much against Fla. Fla is very good in the secondary.
Our best option in this game will probably be to control the ground game and I think JJ is better at that.
The key to this game will be the OL performing well. While the OL is better, they still have a ways to go, especially in pass protection.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 8:36 am to JohnLSU
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I watched the game. I saw a leader that led This Team. Thank You Jarrett Lee.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 9:45 am to ROUSTER
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Our best option in this game will probably be to control the ground game and I think JJ is better at that.
The key to this game will be the OL performing well. While the OL is better, they still have a ways to go, especially in pass protection.
Yeah, I agree.
And agreed about Lee slinging it around. Florida has a talented defense that also capitalizes off mistakes a ton (6th in the nation in Turnovers gained...1st in interceptions).
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:14 am to OBUDan
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And agreed about Lee slinging it around. Florida has a talented defense that also capitalizes off mistakes a ton (6th in the nation in Turnovers gained...1st in interceptions).
That's what way to many rantards are missing about this game. Yes, Lee looked decent for his first game. But, Tn's D isn't exactly world beaters. Fla is a different beast in the secondary. To beat Fla, we must run the ball 1st and foremost.
Yes, JJ scares me because he's been throwing alot of picks as well. But, this is one game that I think using JJ's feet over JL's arm is actually the smart thing to do. At least EARLY in the game.
At some point, one or both of them will need to complete some passes though.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:19 am to ROUSTER
What could be interesting, to me at least...
Say JJ goes in, does his job, but the plays just arent working. He hasnt thrown a pick or made bad throws, just the plays arent gaining yardage and moving the chains.
What does Les do at that point?
Can he pull JJ if he hasnt turned the ball over, and/or Florida is stopping the run with Ridley?
I know what the fans answer would be (and my own), but clearly Les has a soft spot for JJ.
I dont really think he pulls him unless he's missing throws badly and throwing picks.
Say JJ goes in, does his job, but the plays just arent working. He hasnt thrown a pick or made bad throws, just the plays arent gaining yardage and moving the chains.
What does Les do at that point?
Can he pull JJ if he hasnt turned the ball over, and/or Florida is stopping the run with Ridley?
I know what the fans answer would be (and my own), but clearly Les has a soft spot for JJ.
I dont really think he pulls him unless he's missing throws badly and throwing picks.
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:34 pm to OBUDan
OBUDan said both of these......
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But I wasn't trying to draw anything conclusive from it. I was merely stating that at least for this game, the run game worked better with him in there so maybe that is why the staff feels like he needs to keep playing.
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But one a one game sample, which is admittedly not much, this says something about who is operating our running game better.
These are really two different things, and you said them both, but are denying you said the second one. The stats say nothing about "who operated the running game better." One could infer that they say the running game worked better while one qb was in vs the other, but that wording properly avoids any causal relationship (properly because that cause cannot be determined by simply looking at who the qb was without taking into account all the other variables.)
Maybe you think I'm splitting hairs, but there is a distinct difference, and there really is not enough evidence to conclude that the better running stats had anything to do with JJ except for when he was the runner, and even then there are many other variables.
But OK, the running game worked better at the same time he was in the game than Lee. Do I believe the staff has analyzed it that way? Hell No.
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