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Those calling for Miles head

Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:25 am
Posted by jimbeaux82
Natchitoches, La
Member since Oct 2008
1357 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:25 am
I know this is the Rant where logic fails but I want to try a little here (Oh My God !)

I am just as disappointed and shall I say disgusted with the continual clock management issues, poor offensive play, and penalties as anybody on this board but it is not time to fire Miles yet. Hear me out.

First - This years team, I think most of us will agree, is not a true NC caliber team. Very close but not quite. But next year, the stars line up and we will be certainly a legitimate NC contender. On offense, we lose only 2 starters - Barksdale and Tolliver. On defense - we lose 3-4 starters including PP, Nevis, Shepperd. And we have very able replacements coming behind them. This is the window of opportunity that most coaches, and fans, dream about. Something like 2007 all over again. If we change head coaches, bring in a new system, we have lost this window of opportunity.

Second - next years crop of talent in LA is the best in recent history and we are lined up to capture most of them. If you change coaching staff, many of these committed players will scatter into the wind to who knows where.

Firing Miles this year would absolutely waste both of these critical opportunities that only come around once in a blue moon. I am looking at the future success of LSU football.

What needs to be done is

1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now. With all of our problems, and there are others, this should be the easist one to correct, once and for all. If it takes firing Crowton or marginalizing him now, so be it.

2) Start JL at QB immediately and reserve JJ for special run situations. JL 90% of snaps, JJ 10% of snaps. JL, by his performance this past week, has earned his starting role and provides the team the best chance to succeed. He needs more time to develop a rythm and the whole offense plays noticeably better when he is in there.

3) Miles to man up and say the issues are his fault, he will correct them then show real proof that he has.

4) Miles need to hold players responsible for their actions and bench them when they do not play well, especially the seniors. Barksdale has 5 penalties in 2 games, Barksdale sits out the first series against Fla. Tolliver drops multiple passes, Tolliver sits out the first series against Fla, etc, etc. The lack of discipline on this team, and lack of accountability, is staggering.

I am as dissappointed and disgusted as anybody on this board about the sloppy offensive play, clock management and lack of discipline, but I do not want to jeapordize our success next year by reacting too hastily this year.

Dont throw out the baby with the bath water (just yet)

IMHO - now flame away.

Posted by scrimshaw
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2010
40 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:30 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now. With all of our problems, and there are others, this should be the easist one to correct, once and for all. If it takes firing Crowton or marginalizing him now, so be it.



Crowton should have been fired Saturday night.
This post was edited on 10/4/10 at 10:39 am
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:32 am to
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Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now.


really, shouldn't this have been done long before now. Thats the problem, the same fundamental mistakes keep hapenning over and over.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83082 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:33 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now. With all of our problems, and there are others, this should be the easist one to correct, once and for all. If it takes firing Crowton or marginalizing him now, so be it.
you mean Miles was lying when he said they would be fixed after the ole miss game last year?
Posted by Loupe52
White Castle, LA
Member since Oct 2006
206 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:34 am to
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Thats the problem, the same fundamental mistakes keep hapenning over and over.


That has been happening since he got here. S.O.B. is just luckier than hell and the talent on this teams pulls him out over and over again.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171949 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:36 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now. With all of our problems, and there are others, this should be the easist one to correct, once and for all. If it takes firing Crowton or marginalizing him now, so be it.

2) Start JL at QB immediately and reserve JJ for special run situations. JL 90% of snaps, JJ 10% of snaps. JL, by his performance this past week, has earned his starting role and provides the team the best chance to succeed. He needs more time to develop a rythm and the whole offense plays noticeably better when he is in there.

3) Miles to man up and say the issues are his fault, he will correct them then show real proof that he has.

4) Miles need to hold players responsible for their actions and bench them when they do not play well, especially the seniors. Barksdale has 5 penalties in 2 games, Barksdale sits out the first series against Fla. Tolliver drops multiple passes, Tolliver sits out the first series against Fla, etc, etc. The lack of discipline on this team, and lack of accountability, is staggering.


1) Yes, please. Promote BG to OC.

2) Agreed, but have a wildcat package where JJ/RS can run/pass. (No short side option please)

3) YES

4) Not just the false starts, but also the penalties that are on the QB/Coaches. A delay of game coming out of a timeout is atrociously unacceptable.


Overall, our offense (JL and the running game) finally showed a glimpse of redemption but its overshadowed by the dumb penalties and play calls.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
35454 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:36 am to
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First - This years team, I think most of us will agree, is not a true NC caliber team.


I disagree. This team is way better than I thought it would be and it's actually very young. We are missing a qb and make stupid substitutions and keep playing Murphy and going away from succesful plays, but the team is actually really good. tOSU, bama, and Oregon are probably the best teams, but I don't see an unbeatable team in the NCAA this year and if we had consistent average play from our offense, this is a championship team.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73828 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:36 am to
i just came here to post that im not reading all that
Posted by megarita1013
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2009
8 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:39 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now.

3) Miles to man up and say the issues are his fault, he will correct them then show real proof that he has.


IMO, he has had more than enough time to deal with this stuff and has not proven that he is capable of fixing them.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:39 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now.


Impossible, b/c he's the issue, and he can't change his own intellectual ability. Those "clock management" issues are really just crunch-time issues where a coach has to be able to think on his feet. Miles looks stupid in those situations b/c, well....

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But next year, the stars line up and we will be certainly a legitimate NC contender.

We're going to beat Bama in Tuscaloosa next year? Who's going to be our QB? We're now sure that J.Lee is a NC-caliber QB b/c he had a decent passing game against a bad Tennessee team?

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On defense - we lose 3-4 starters including PP, Nevis, Shepperd.

Easily our 3 best players.
quote:

And we have very able replacements coming behind them
Very doubtful their replacements in 1st year of starting will be anywhere as good as them.

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Something like 2007 all over again.

We'll never be that lucky again.
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This is the window of opportunity that most coaches, and fans, dream about.

Pure fantasy to think we'll be a legitimate NC contender next year.

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4) Miles need to hold players responsible for their actions

So basically Miles needs to be a totally different guy than he's been for 5 years? Not going to happen.



Posted by jhamil25
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
2495 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:39 am to
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That has been happening since he got here. S.O.B. is just luckier than hell and the talent on this teams pulls him out over and over again.



Great combo!
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87368 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:40 am to
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1) Miles must solve his or our teams (whichever appropriate) clock management issues now.


THIS IS NOT, REPEAT NOT, GOING TO HAPPEN.

If it were, it would have happened after the debacle in Oxford last year. CERTAINLY, AT LEAST after the Cap One Bowl.

Yet, I've seen clock management issues at the end of the first half in virtually every game this year. And then, the near debacle Saturday. If it was gonna get fixed, it would have been fixed by now. Personally, for whatever reason, I don't think Miles is CAPABLE of fixing this problem. He just doesn't seem to get it.
Posted by jimbeaux82
Natchitoches, La
Member since Oct 2008
1357 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:41 am to
Sun Tiger,

I dont disagree with you at all. This team has surprised me, especially the D
Posted by tiger88
Member since Jan 2006
1041 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:44 am to
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But next year, the stars line up


you fall into the "future will always be better" thinking here.

LSU does not have a QB. And next year will be no different, unless by some miracle, Miles recruits a mature beyond his years true freshman that can play right away.

I honestly thought Miles would be fired for the poor clock managment during the Ole Miss game. To me, he got a waiver because he brought home a crystal prior, and this is the ONLY reason in my opinion to excuse him.

The fact that he bungled the clock in the same fashion against TN on Saturday tells me all I need to know.

I'll say this: if he beats either Florida or Alabama and runs the table, he gets to keep his job, but must hire an OC that coaches on the field, not in the press box -- but there must an assistant in the press box to get the broad view and communicate it on the field (but not to LM).

Les Miles would make a great figurehead coach, but he must learn to delegate and get the F out of the way.
This post was edited on 10/4/10 at 10:52 am
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4297 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:44 am to
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First - This years team, I think most of us will agree, is not a true NC caliber team. Very close but not quite.


I completely disagree. Our team is full of 4 and 5 star recruits...we have the talent. Our problem is management. Year end and year out our defense is what pulls us through the game, yet our offense slacks off more and more. Fix the clock management issues? That should have been taken care of after last year's game against Ole Miss.

IMO, our offense is our greatest enemy right now. LSU is slowly turning into a graveyard for talent.
Posted by jimbeaux82
Natchitoches, La
Member since Oct 2008
1357 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:50 am to
Fear the Fish,

thats exactly what I meant by close but not quite.

I am not defending Miles in any way, I was just trying to point out the opportunities that I see occurring next year and the damage it would do to those specific opportunities if we replaced Miles now.

Also, as another poster pointed out, I would love to see a little Sheperd in the Wild Tiger but it is not looking like that will happen.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:51 am to
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Fix the clock management issues? That should have been taken care of after last year's game against Ole Miss.


To me, what's crazy is that people think you can "fix" what happened at Ole Miss last year. The only reason stuff like that doesnt happen more often to Miles is that those situations are pretty rare.
Posted by JohnnyBgood
South Louisiana
Member since May 2010
4434 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:53 am to
Well this is what I think.


Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4297 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:56 am to
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and the damage it would do to those specific opportunities if we replaced Miles now


I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this point. I think the opportunities outweigh potential damages by replacing Miles...but I'm no LSU AD
Posted by flipdaddy
Birmingham, Al
Member since Jun 2010
21 posts
Posted on 10/4/10 at 10:56 am to
I think y'all have some serious issues. LSU should have beat the piss out of us because we are the worst team in the league right now. we only dressed 50 something players and like they said 50% were freshman. If it wasn't for LSU's extreme tallent Les Miles would be run out of town. I'm not trying to hate, I respect LSU's program a lot. I just think with the stability y'all should be dealing the west fits every year. Well...congrats on the win and good luck the rest of the way. See ya in Neyland next year and bring some of them swamp people gator killers with y'all...love that damn show.
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