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Long term and short term investing... Need Advice

Posted on 9/18/10 at 10:24 pm
Posted by crazytigerfan69
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Posted on 9/18/10 at 10:24 pm
Ok I currently have a pretty good nest egg built up and I want to do some investing b/c sitting in a low interest savings account isn't helping me any.

Long term:
I currently have a 401k, but would like to open a Roth IRA. What is the best way to do this? Should I use one of the online sites like Fidelity, ETrade, etc.? If so which one is simple and is lowest cost? With a Roth IRA do I contribute yearly? Monthly? Can they direct deposit the money from my bank account like a bill?

Short Term:
I would like to do some investing where I could manage my money and have access to it to cash out when I want. I was thinking online sites like Fidelity, Etrade again for this, but I don't have time to watch the stocks every day. Should I look elsewhere? Is it worth paying a financial advisor to handle these sorts of things?

How about bonds, or CD's?

I'm 26 years old and I could probably invest up to 20k right now but would like to just start by maybe investing a couple thousand in the market and see how it goes. TIA
This post was edited on 9/19/10 at 5:53 pm
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/20/10 at 10:40 am to
Reading list

quote:

Is it worth paying a financial advisor to handle these sorts of things?


There was a poster (he is a financial "advisor")on here last week that posted his goal is to work 20-hours a week and earn 6-figures, I am not going to out him. Does that sound like a good return on your money or him making good money off you?
This post was edited on 9/20/10 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/20/10 at 2:43 pm to
i just bought the top two books on that list. i too am interested in learning as much as i can when it comes to investing and different options for different reasons.
Posted by crazytigerfan69
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 8:08 am to
I don't have time to read all that, I guess I should get a financial advisor
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 8:42 am to
i'm not against a financial advisor, i still like to know my head from my arse when he's explaining stuff to me.
Posted by crazytigerfan69
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:12 am to
Same here, I think I'm going to use vanguard for my Roth IRA and maybe Fidelity for other investments. They advertise that you can call and talk to someone if you need to.
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:33 am to
quote:

I don't have time to read all that, I guess I should get a financial advisor


That Bogle book might take you 2 hours to read, then set up the Roth at Vanguard. Or you could go to www.fundadvice.com and get some info that would help you. LINK

You don't need an advisor if you are willing to put forth just a little bit of effort.
Posted by crazytigerfan69
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:15 pm to
Sorry I thought those were novels.

Thanks for the Link. I don't like the idea of having someone else handle my money for me anyway.

So Vanguard is one of the best places to set up a Roth IRA?
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:45 pm to
Vanguard is low cost, low frills, and has a wide selection of index and actively managed funds. Your Roth account should be free if you accept electronic document delivery instead of paper. If you want more bells and whistles, say for trading, you would be better served elsewhere. I get commission free Vanguard ETF trades and $2 trades for non-VGD ETF's, stocks, etc, what is not to like?

Posted by Ringeaux
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:51 pm to
If your on Tigerdroppings seeking advice you have already answered your own question. Go and see a financial advisor. Ask for thier bio as well as industry designations. CFP or Chfc are what you should look for. I would interview 3 advisors so that you can compare styles. If they start pushing a product or investment without first learning about you, your finances, your lifestyle, short/long term goals etc...find someone else. You want a process guy and not a product guy.
Posted by chRxis
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:52 pm to
i'm sorta in the same boat as you... i'm 28, and both my wife and i make 6 figures, but i'd love to double what we make through short term investments...

i have a great 401(k) through work (upto 2%, they match 3 to 1) with about $40K right now after only 3 years of contributions.... i killed this month so far (up over $3K), so i kinda have the long term, somewhat figured out...

but it's what to do with the extra money we have after bills and expenses.... we have about $30K in a savings, $6K in a checking, but we aren't getting very good interest from either.... at the same time, i want access to my money and i'm not sure how that can be possible if we invest all of it in CD's, MMA's, etc....

i also have a fidelity account from a stock option plan that i bought into with my company when i was still in school, that i could trade stock through once i exercise my options... problem is the stock price is down too much right now and i'd be losing too much, but i'd almost rather just lose the money, then use the gains to buy something else and get into trading individual stock that way....
Posted by chRxis
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:55 pm to
the only "advice" i can really give is to educate yourself about finances/investing.... we have 2 financial advisors that we bounce ideas off of, but i wouldn't trust them with a nickel of my money!

the best advice i got was that no one will look out for your money like you will look out for your money... after that, i ordered Money magazine, started reading up on the markets and investments website, and now i just try to piece everything together as best i can.... i'm not a financial guru at all (my career is in healthcare), but i'm a work in progress...
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:27 pm to
quote:

If your on Tigerdroppings seeking advice you have already answered your own question. Go and see a financial advisor. Ask for thier bio as well as industry designations. CFP or Chfc are what you should look for. I would interview 3 advisors so that you can compare styles. If they start pushing a product or investment without first learning about you, your finances, your lifestyle, short/long term goals etc...find someone else. You want a process guy and not a product guy.


If the OP chooses to go this route he should find a qualified fee only planner, pay for the consultation and resultant investment plan, and open a self directed brokerage account to implement the plan on a low cost basis. There is zero need/reason to be placed in high cost investments or wrap fees with an advisor/broker/salesperson in what is already a challenging investing environment. Then the OP can revisit the planner as needed and not have a leech attached to him. I have a strong aversion to parties that layer on ridiculous fees in light of what little upside most offer.

He also is better learning about investing prior to meeting any advisor as how in the hell will he know what to judge their response by. He is better off doing it himself and confer with fee only planners if/as needed. That's my 2 cents.
Posted by Ringeaux
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:29 pm to
Reading Money magazine to read about what has already happened is waaayyyy better than having an professional adviser track and read market trends and tendencies before they actually happen. Managed accounts vs. buy..hold..pray

Posted by crazytigerfan69
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

There is zero need/reason to be placed in high cost investments or wrap fees with an advisor/broker/salesperson in what is already a challenging investing environment. Then the OP can revisit the planner as needed and not have a leech attached to him. I have a strong aversion to parties that layer on ridiculous fees in light of what little upside most offer.

This is what I'm worried about and want to stay away from.

Thanks for all the help
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 8:26 pm to
Just don't go to that BR Financial Advisor who said he "bites his nails" anytime companies he has his clients invested in are about to release earnings.

Do your due diligence. It's not like the medical field where just by virtue of the professional's title, he'll know, for the most part, what he's talking about. Some financial advisors can be completely worthless. I went with my brother-in-law once to meet with a guy he was considering. We got into talking about some stocks we were currently interested in. I raised a point about one that we were mutually interested in that he had not heard before. He (the financial advisor) asked me, "Where did you find that out?", to which I replied, "It was in the company's most recent 10-Q."

His response and I shite you not:

"What's a 10-Q?"

This guy invests part of his clients' portfolios in individual stocks ...
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 8:32 pm
Posted by topstunter
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Posted on 9/24/10 at 8:32 am to
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This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 10:20 pm
Posted by chRxis
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Posted on 9/26/10 at 1:35 pm to
actually, i read the investment strategies, and other articles because it's pretty informative as far as spelling out investing, and what kind of options are there, especially when you don't have a clue because you don't have a background in finance... i never said i do what Money mag tells you to do.... i realize that the top funds, stocks, etc. are RETROSPECTIVE....

my point was if you don't have an in depth knowledge of all the lingo and different options, Money has informative articles that helps spelled it out for the layperson...

but if you are the type of prick that likes to try to make fun of others when you in fact misinterpret shite, all in an attempt to make you feel better yourself, so be it...
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