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re: Really? Jefferson is the problem?

Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:36 am to
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:36 am to
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He is the qb.
The offense didnt fricking score a single point in the second half.
So yes a portion of that will ALWAYS fall on the qb's shoulders.


Fine. But would he be a top 5 reason? seriously.
List out what went wrong in the game. You think Jefferson's play should be in the first 5 reasons listed?
Posted by Katy Tiger
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:36 am to
The main reason LSU almost blew the game was the coachces. No killer instinct. No concept of putting teams away. Same old lame game plan on offense.

Pls stop blaming the kids who make zip for playing for LSU other than their scholarship. The coaching staff makes millions per year and they are responsible for getting the kids to play to the best of their ability and putting together a game plan that gives us the best chance to win. Ask yourself the question - if we had a better staff, would the offense be better using the same exact players? I think it would be.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:36 am to
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he didn't look good running the "option".
Sure he did. . .was it perfect? no.

It looked orders of magnitude better than last year.
Posted by BT
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:36 am to
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Its mainly his inability to move the team. Yes, we scored 3 offensive TDs. Short field, and one-hit wonders against a confused, depleted defense.

Our longest sustained drive was 30 yards.

That will not cut it against fully-manned SEC teams.

Your father understands that we are ranked #86 against a scout team defense, and are well on our way back to 112th. At some point we will need JJ to march us down the field. He can't.


some how this FACT you just posted gets translated by some that I/you elieve JJ damn near lost us the game single handidly.

God some of you are stupid.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:37 am to
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Fine. But would he be a top 5 reason?
To BT and TIsuGGER, JJ is the #1 problem with the team.

He is the reason Yates threw for 400 yards, too.
Posted by bayoubaer
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:38 am to
My only comment is the JJ was a better QB than last year, which is to say he didnt play as bad.
Posted by TIsuGGER
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:39 am to
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BT, if Jefferson puts up 2k+ passing yards with 26 TDs and ~10 INTs (or less) over the course of this season would you be unhappy with his individual performance?

At this rate he'll have 13 ints. How is that different than the 16 Lee had as a freshman?

Not a winning argument on your part.

But your blatantly limiting his ints to "around 10" shows your bias. Get out of his jockstrap, be fair, and open your fricking eyes
Posted by BT
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:39 am to
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So he gets no credit for the 30 scored in the first half. . .but shoulders a major part of the blame for not scoring in the second half?



awesome


hmmmmmmmmmm.... lets see
PP 80 yrd plus td
RS 50 yrd plus td run
safety


30 huh?

quote:

major part of the blame

never said major, I said he is the qb and 9 times ourta 10 qb is resposnible for points scored or not scored.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:40 am to
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At this rate he'll have 13 ints. How is that different than the 16 Lee had as a freshman?
lulz.

You give him 12 more INT's just to make an argument seem plausible.

Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:41 am to
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At this rate he'll have 13 ints

you think he's gonna throw a pick in every single game? Give it a fricking break guy.
Posted by therocketscientist
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:41 am to
It is not that JJ is really good or really bad, as both of those statements are incorrect (and probably motivated by something other than football itself).

It is that he is getting better at the same things that were already his strengths, adding some small improvements, but is not improving in the areas where he needs to to become an SEC championship QB.

What he does well:

- He protects the ball well, both in his handling of handoffs and in avoiding INT's

- He throws a nice catchable ball, and can throw an accurate dart also, which he needed all of to thread the needle on that TD pass to Shep.

- He throws a lot of short passes accurately, which aid his completion percentage significantly.

- He is predominantly composed and has improved his pocket presence, and stepped up nicely in the pocket on the TD pass to Randle.

- He can run the ball well on planned runs (that are not an option), and has good open-field visionwhen he tucks it and runs with it.

Areas where he has improved:

- He is not throwing the ball as much as the players feet (save the early pass to Toliver which was bewo his knees)

- No sacks (better line helps, but he gets credit too!)

- He looks more comfortable and assertive.

Key areas where he has not hardly improved:

-He still does not have good field vision. The long pass to Randle did not require good field vision, as that was the the only option as drawn up in a really good play that UNC defended as we hoped (LB's swept to follow the fake to Shep, which gave him room to step into the pocket and deliver the pass).

-He does not progress in his reads and still predominantly looks in the direction he is going with the ball (a couple of exceptions, but this is by far the case - he has not grown in this area hardly at all).

His wind up delivery is slow. When we play against teams that match LSU's outside speed, like Bama, Florida and Auburn, he will not have time to deliver the ball, and the faster and more experienced DB's will close the gap because his release is slow. This fraction of a second is amplified in top notch SEC play.

-He still cannot run the option well, which Crowton has an an important element of his gameplanning, so that is a problem. It just is not his forte.

- He throws underneath short of the first down marker too often on 3rd down, and rarely throws passes in the intermediate middle of the field.

He is a wonderful young man. He and the coaches need to attack his weaknesses. His strengths are consistent. Throwing for 65-70% conpletion is good. He needs to add to that with several other improvements so that we have fewer 3-and-outs.

This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 11:47 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:42 am to
We ALL knew BT would be bitching about Jefferson no matter what kind of performance he put up.

No shocker here
Posted by BT
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:42 am to
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He is the reason Yates threw for 400 yards, too.


15 ints last year.
Posted by Ryno_Kill
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:42 am to
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He did cause a fumble to Shepard on poor spacing on the option yet again.


Don't forget the read option plays where the defensive end committed and murdered Ridley.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:43 am to
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30 huh?
You are saying it was his fault we didn't score in the 2nd half.

Now you are saying that not all scoring is the responsibility of the QB?

Make up your mind, brah.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:43 am to
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At this rate he'll have 13 ints. How is that different than the 16 Lee had as a freshman?

Not a winning argument on your part.

But your blatantly limiting his ints to "around 10" shows your bias. Get out of his jockstrap, be fair, and open your fricking eyes


I limited it to "around 10" because he only threw 7 last year you retard

Nice try though.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 11:43 am
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:43 am to
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Sure he did. . .was it perfect? no.

It looked orders of magnitude better than last year.


the one where he let the defender drive him back, then pitched to Shep from about 6 feet away was about as fundamentally flawed as you'll ever see the option run....
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:44 am to
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15 ints last year.
Jefferson is the reason Yates threw for 400 yards, then.

awesome.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:44 am to
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Our longest sustained drive was 30 yards.


I haven't checked to see the truthfulness of this stat....

However, if true that is a scathing argument against our offense. It further puts massive pressure on the defense to be able to stay on the field for long stretches of time.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:45 am to
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you think he's gonna throw a pick in every single game? Give it a fricking break guy.

I just followed the posters line of reasoning, when he gave JJ credit for 26 TDS. See how that works?

Do you think he'll throw 2 TDS each game?


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