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401k Questions

Posted on 8/30/10 at 8:20 am
Posted by Tiger4EverLSU
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jul 2009
70 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 8:20 am
Are there ANY exceptions for being able to take money out of your 401k and not incur the penalties?

And how stupid would it be to take money out to extremely help your current financial situation? I'm 30 yrs old, and I understand I'd probably lose in the long run with the compounding interest I'm losing out on, but I really dont care at this point about 30yrs from now. I want to get out of some serious debt, avoid foreclosure, and worry about retirement later.
Posted by NeverNorthof I10
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jul 2010
483 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 8:25 am to
1. Take a lump sum distribution, in which case your 401k plan provider will write you a check for the value of your account less a 20% withholding tax mandated by the IRS, and a 10% withdrawal penalty. The 20% tax that is withheld, but NOT the 10% penalty, will be counted against your income tax payable or will be counted towards any refund due for the tax year when you file your tax return.

General exceptions: The 10% penalty does not apply to distributions that are:

1- Made as part of a series of substantially equal periodic payments (made at least annually) for your life (or life expectancy) or the joint lives (or joint life expectancies) of you and your designated beneficiary (if from a qualified retirement plan, the payments must begin after separation from service).

2- Made because you are totally and permanently disabled, or

3- Made on or after the death of the plan participant or contract holder.

4- From a qualified retirement plan (other than an IRA) after your separation from service in or after the year you reached age 55

5- From a qualified retirement plan (other than an IRA) to an alternate payee under a qualified domestic relations order,

6- From a qualified retirement plan to the extent you have deductible medical expenses (medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income), whether or not you itemize your deductions for the year,

7- From an employer plan under a written election that provides a specific schedule for distribution of your entire interest if, as of March 1, 1986, you had separated from service and had begun receiving payments under the election

8- From an employee stock ownership plan for dividends on employer securities held by the plan, or

9- From a qualified retirement plan due to an IRS levy of the plan.

(Source: IRS)

Posted by Tiger4EverLSU
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jul 2009
70 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 8:53 am to
So in general, I can expect 70% of what my current balance is if I take this lump sum distribution?

So then the next question is, is it worth it? I'm basically trying to pay down an investment I bought before the real estate bust that is sucking money out of me. It's to pay down property, so it at least has the chance to pay me back in the future when I sell it. And the peace of mind it will bring now, as I start a family and want to provide for them, will be huge.

I'm obviously trying to convince myself this wouldnt be a bad decision. But if anyone knows more about all of this and disagrees, I'd like to understand why.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65348 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 10:39 am to
Any loan now will cost you around 5-10%. I don't see how 30% is a good deal.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:01 am to
quote:

I don't see how 30% is a good deal.


20% of that is taxes which he will pay regardless. And, tax rates in 2010 are looking pretty sweet compared to the Great Britain/European destination we are trending toward. Which will be a reality when most hit 59 1/2.

20% of the 30%
This post was edited on 8/30/10 at 11:02 am
Posted by Tiger4EverLSU
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jul 2009
70 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Any loan now will cost you around 5-10%. I don't see how 30% is a good deal.


Understandable. But I wont realize the effect of the 401k withdrawal for another 30 years. I have time to build it back up. I've been very good about saving up to this point (other than that stupid investment obviously), which is one of the reasons I have enough in my 401k to help me in this situation. I have time to do it again.

I dont know...just no use building up a great nest egg for retirement and living a stressful life until you get there.

Anybody have/know a good financial planner I can talk to specifically about my situation?
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:44 am to
Any financial planner will tell you not to pull it out. They make money by people having their money trapped until retirement age.
Posted by Tiger4EverLSU
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jul 2009
70 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

Any financial planner will tell you not to pull it out. They make money by people having their money trapped until retirement age.


Haha...guess that does make sense...
Posted by NeverNorthof I10
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jul 2010
483 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

Any financial planner will tell you not to pull it out. They make money by people having their money trapped until retirement age.


Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 12:54 pm to
You would have to be in tremendously dire straits before it makes sense to pull money out of your 401 like that. There's a time for everything, I suppose, but with the penalties involved it's often worse than charging up a credit card. So charging it is likely a better option, albeit still a very poor one.

If you qualify, getting a loan from your 401 would be better. Although that has its own problems at least you aren't paying an outrageous rate.
This post was edited on 8/30/10 at 1:17 pm
Posted by bazeball
Equipped, not stripped.
Member since Jun 2006
555 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

If you qualify, getting a loan from your 401 would be better. Although that has its own problems at least you aren't paying an outrageous rate.

I agree with this. The only problem with the loan is that it will immediately come due if you lose or change your job. If you feel that you can/will pay it back and your job is stable, the loan is the lesser of the two evils, IMO.
Posted by Tigerstudent08
Lakeview
Member since Apr 2007
5776 posts
Posted on 8/30/10 at 7:03 pm to
Maybe you should just sell the property. Where is it and how big of a loss do you think you would take
Posted by Tiger4EverLSU
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jul 2009
70 posts
Posted on 8/31/10 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Maybe you should just sell the property. Where is it and how big of a loss do you think you would take


Yeah, not really an option....Wont be able to sell this sucker for at leas 5-10 years...
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