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with all sincerity---you are an idiot.the video does not knock the hydrocarbon industry.it critisizes only BP and only b/c of their grossly negligent conduct.i,like you,am from ascension parish.3 of my uncles and my dad work in the petrochemical industry.i assume you have at least one relative that works in the industry as well.if so and if he died b/c of his plant's grossly negligent conduct would you say "well he drove a car/truck to work everyday ,what do you think it ran on" . this is not about the oil industry,its about corporate greed and cutting corners to maximize profit --oh by the way the company was already making at least 1 billion a quarter in profit.you better fricking wake up and realize that unchecked corporate greed will crash this country's economy and ruin its natural resources.(see enron,worldcom,the banking/lending institution industry and now BP).

here you go.starting near the bottom of the food chain.



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with all sincerity---you are an idiot.the video does not knock the hydrocarbon industry.it critisizes only BP and only b/c of their grossly negligent conduct.i,like you,am from ascension parish.3 of my uncles and my dad work in the petrochemical industry.i assume you have at least one relative that works in the industry as well.if so and if he died b/c of his plant's grossly negligent conduct would you say "well he drove a car/truck to work everyday ,what do you think it ran on" . this is not about the oil industry,its about corporate greed and cutting corners to maximize profit --oh by the way the company was already making at least 1 billion a quarter in profit.you better fricking wake up and realize that unchecked corporate greed will crash this country's economy and ruin its natural resources.(see enron,worldcom,the banking/lending institution industry and now BP).

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Uhhh. You're the idiot corleone by believing all the bullshite the media has spewed on this subject.

And yes I do work in the petro chemical industry. Probably longer than you've been breathing so shut your fricking ignorant mouth and actually learn about what you post about.

fact---its in the crabs now.fact---salt water fish east juvelile crabs,ergo it will be in the fish's system post consumption.the only "unknown" is the longterm impact on fish and humans that consume fish.wake the frick up.i aint saying that all is lost but all of you cool aid drinkers need to realize that their will be an impact and it will likely be significant,.ask any pogey fisherman in prudhome bay--oh wait you cant bc pogeys dont exist there post valdez.furthermore the thread IS NOT a knock on the hydocarbon industry,only a knock on a grossly negligent company taht has cost this state billions over the next 10 years.

I know it doesn't support your propaganda, but if they are going to find contaminated fish, wouldn't this be best time for that? From this point forward, the oil is being degraded, the crabs are molting, and the fish are shitting. Where are all these contaminated fish? Stop trying to scare people. It only hurts the gulf economy.

tell you what---i will take you dumbasses down there in my fricking bayboat so you can see it first hand.i was in grind isle 5/22 the day they shut it down.i have pics of oil on the beach and the pelicans in 4 bayou pass the day before the oil came through there.i was in port sulphur on 7/6 and saw low tide in the marsh.its unfricking believeable.the oild BELOW the water line is unimaginable.yall obviously dont care or dont think its a big fricking deal.blame the media and the government all you want but they were not operating the rig that caused all of this.you can't crab,shrimp or oyster from 4 bayous east to the state line.thats a fricking fact.yall need to research the effect valdez had on the fish and fishing industry in prudhome bay.this aint the first time oil has polluted an estuary.

I guess you have more credibility than Dr. Overton (Professor Emeritus from LSU) then.

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yall need to research the effect valdez had on the fish and fishing industry in prudhome bay.

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And there isn't a single commonality other than the fact that oil spilled between the two.

1) The type of oil spilled were polar opposites, with the Alaskan oil a thick sticky mess that stuck to everything, and with the Louisiana oil spill having only a relatively small fraction of the oil forming that tar like substance with large portions of the oil being volatile and evaporating out of the water.
2) The local ecology in the two systems are vastly different, with the Alaskan sea life being relatively sparse and by extension dramatically more sensitive to stress
3) The volume of oil spilled, while less overall, took place very rapidly and it was into a very confined area....
4) Which meant there was zero wave action. There were no major waves to help break it up, and introduce oxygen to break it down. It just sat there waiting for someone to manually scoop it up, which also took a fair amount of effort to do due to the logistical headaches caused by the remoteness of the site

But yeah, you sure are sounding extremely informed with all of your "research" of the effects.

And you can have all of the pictures you want from "grind isle" during the worst of it....that doesn't suggest that this will cause massive impact in the years to come as far as the seafood industry is concerned....other than the public perception that the food is contaminated in spite of frequent testing of the catch.

And just to head off the little straw man you started to pull, you do realize that while you think the blame ends at Transocean/BP (specifically who deserves it more between the two is still up in the air IMO, in spite of the congressional hearing witch hunts just looking for stuff to stick on BP), that doesn't mean that the government/media didn't make it worse.

And if the main problem really does turn out to be long term perception rather than facts....then yeah, that ball is pretty much all in the media's court. Just because they aren't liable for those damages doesn't mean they don't cause them.

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From what everyone is saying, they are paying people very well for their claims.

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cleanup every drop

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To extent reasonable you can be damn sure the government is holding them to a very high standard.

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longterm effects of the dispursant/oil.

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EPA did the testing. The dispercent is fine. The oil is the toxic part.

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i wont eat one for a while--regardless of whether or not they pass the "smell test".

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Saltwater is more toxic to you than oil. You aren't going to die from eating oil contaminated fish (not that they have found any from this spill)