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ECRI and New Home Sales

Posted on 7/26/10 at 12:35 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
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Posted on 7/26/10 at 12:35 pm
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The following chart needs no explanation:




LINK ][LINK]

Also, New Home Sales: Worst June on Record. LINK ][LINK]

Posted by tygerstripes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:19 pm to
Summer of recovery!


Pump on good brothers!
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:25 pm to
A whogasser on this board said at least two weeks ago that we were not in a recession at this time. Semantics, maybe?

To tell the truth, it ain't a damn bit funny.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:26 pm to
The data point from 2009 to 2010 appears to me to be the highest it has ever been, right? Probably results from the tax credit distorting the market. The latest below-the-line data point could be interpreted to be a continuation of the distortion with demand cooling right after the tax credit program ended.
I am encouraged that new home construction continues to be slow. That is the only way the glut will ever get solved.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

tirebiter

Do you believe the U.S. economy is currently in a recession?
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65100 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Do you believe the U.S. economy is currently in a recession?


I do! running 100 billion monthly deficits, and the 400 billion of unspent stimuli seem to be masking the truth, and propping up what we see. Fed rates are also helping keep the bottom from falling out. May not be according to the growth numbers, but you have to look at why the numbers are where they are, and it looks like its just a house of cards.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:52 pm to
The graph in the thread is the ECRI, not new home sales (below fwiw). I didn't link that picture, I just kind of threw it in for additional discussion.

Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

Do you believe the U.S. economy is currently in a recession?


As discussed in earlier thread it depends upon the definition. To clarify, metro ATL is definitely in a recession and unemployment is back above 10%+, with U6 probably > 20% here.
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 2:01 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

Do you believe the U.S. economy is currently in a recession?



I do!
Then how do you explain almost every company which has reported their second quarter results showing upside surprises for revenue (meaning "sales") and with almost all of them having Y-O-Y increases in sales?
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 2:03 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:03 pm to
Yeah I really think its semantical. Nosedive, recovery, flat line/below trend growth. Call it whatever you want, its not good.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:04 pm to
Severely depressed bases from last year. ETA: And analysts sucking wind like always.
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 2:05 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:05 pm to
"slow growth" =/= "recession"

Slow growth is slow growth. Recession means a contraction in the economy.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:05 pm to
Sure, like I said, its semantical.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

Severely depressed bases from last year.
But growth, nonetheless.....
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:06 pm to
You asked how I explained it, I didn't say it wasn't growth or a positive development.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65100 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:08 pm to
Dang, what happened in Jan 06. Did the Dems take over? Not that the Repubs were great, but that timing is comical.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:12 pm to
I would normally say wrong board buy IDGAF anymore.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133378 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65100 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10687 posts
Posted on 7/26/10 at 3:14 pm to
I believe this encompasses our concerns quite well:

quote:

By most measures, Harley-Davidson has been having a rough ride. Motorcycle sales are falling in 2010, as they have for each of the last three years. The company does not expect a turnaround anytime soon. But despite that drought, Harley’s profits are rising — soaring, in fact. Last week, Harley reported a $71 million profit in the second quarter, more than triple what it earned a year ago. This seeming contradiction — falling sales and rising profits — is one reason the mood on Wall Street is so much more buoyant than in households, where pessimism runs deep and joblessness shows few signs of easing. Many companies are focusing on cost-cutting to keep profits growing, but the benefits are mostly going to shareholders instead of the broader economy, as management conserves cash rather than bolstering hiring and production. Harley, for example, has announced plans to cut 1,400 to 1,600 more jobs by the end of next year. That is on top of 2,000 job cuts last year — more than a fifth of its work force. As companies this month report earnings for the second quarter, news of healthy profits has helped the stock market — the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index is up 7 percent for July — but the source of those gains raises deep questions about the sustainability of the growth, as well as the fate of more than 14 million unemployed workers hoping to rejoin the work force as the economy recovers. “Because of high unemployment, management is using its leverage to get more hours out of workers,” said Robert C. Pozen, a senior lecturer at Harvard Business School and the former president of Fidelity Investments. “What’s worrisome is that American business has gotten used to being a lot leaner, and it could take a while before they start hiring again.” And some of those businesses, including Harley-Davidson, are preparing for a future where they can prosper even if sales do not recover. Harley’s goal is to permanently be in a position to generate strong profits on a lower revenue base.


Profits from deeper cuts

A preponderance of people would view this scenario as recessionary, not a growing or normalized economy.
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 3:15 pm
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