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BP Reveals 'Fundamental Mistake' on Oil Well

Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:01 am
Posted by spinoza
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:01 am
BP told congressional investigators that a decision to continue work on an oil well in the Gulf of Mexico after a test warned that something was wrong may have been a "fundamental mistake."

Oil giant BP PLC told congressional investigators that a decision to continue work on an oil well in the Gulf of Mexico after a test warned that something was wrong may have been a "fundamental mistake," according to a memo released by two lawmakers Tuesday.

The document describes a wide array of mistakes in the fateful final hours aboard the Deepwater Horizon—but the main revelation is that BP now says there was a clear warning sign of a "very large abnormality" in the well, but work proceeded anyway.

The rig exploded about two hours later.


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Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:45 am to
Although the memo identifies some of the problems that led to these mistakes, it doesn't identify who made the key decisions

Would it be soem "higher up" or one of the 11 working on the floor that dies? I just am wondering what type position makes these decisions.
Posted by mylsuhat
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:48 am to
quote:

Would it be soem "higher up" or one of the 11 working on the floor that dies?

most likely on of the drillers on the floor if I had to guess, but that is not scripture either, so take it how u want it
Posted by Indiana Tiger
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:58 am to
quote:

most likely on of the drillers on the floor if I had to guess, but that is not scripture either, so take it how u want it

Seriously doubt this. Drillers would have worked for Transocean. I don't know how they're organized, but it would have been some BP official; an engineer or the BP management on site.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:02 am to
And I should clarify ... I'm not trying to finger point ... I am just wondering what type "position" would make these decisions as I'm clueless about this stuff. My layperson's assumption would have been that some "big boss" would have been called with the results and then he would have said "stop" or whatever.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:17 am to
This is a BP cultural issue. Yes there is a lot of talk about safety being #1, but that is belied by safety coming in #2 to practical expediency too often. Whoever made the decision knows that the well is late; there's been a lot of pressure to get it done and that there is a big contingent of high level executives who are either there or will be soon. That person knows that bad news isn't good for him, or at the very least he certainly thinks that. He (it could be a group decision) ignores the first test and accepts the second, but how do you know which is right? Could even be both. Hope takes over at that point, but at no point did these people think that this would happen. The culture created the environment where these risks were created and accepted.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:17 am to
it depends. BP's office personnel are responsible for the planning and well design -- casing sizes, cement designs, etc.

it's the BP representatives on site (the company men, or drill site managers, or drill rep's -- there's a handful of titles for these guys across the industry) to execute the plan and direct the transocean and third party personnel. they would have had input into both the execution and interpretation of the negative tests in question here, possibly in conjunction w/ a drilling superintendent (the lead BP office person).

the communication issues during the displacement to seawater would be a combination of BP, Transocean, and MI (the drilling fluid supplier) -- between the driller and guys in the mud pit room and ultimately notifying the the toolpusher and company man if something weird was going on.

i for one wish more details from the memo would have been made public.
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:20 am to
It's hard to say because we don't know exactly the course of events that happened.

We know they were taking a kick. We don't know for how long they'd been having downhole issues. Generally in a situation where you're taking a kick, you'll have your normal rig floor crew (driller, assistant driller, several roughnecks, etc.), a tool pusher or OIM for the drilling contractor, and a BP company representative has to be on the rig floor while taking the kick, because essentially, BP is top dog on the rig. There would have been contact with the drilling superintendant in BP's corporate office notifying them of the kick.

We know that there wasn't a BP rep on the drill floor at the time, so you could assume that there wasn't evidence of a kick prior and it just came up on them at the last moment.

I've read otherwise, but that's not really the point.

Just take everything I just posted with a grain of salt. While what I described is pretty close to SOP, without all the details, it's nothing but assumptions.

Summary: BP would have been calling the shots. On location, his title is Drill Site Manager, or Company man.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:22 am to
quote:

He (it could be a group decision) ignores the first test and accepts the second, but how do you know which is right? Could even be both. Hope takes over at that point, but at no point did these people think that this would happen.

i've said a number of times on here that to really understand what happened w/ this negative test you need to know a lot more specifics than what we know -- and unfortanately it doesn't seem like that was forthcoming in the WSJ article.

i understand what you're trying to say but every person involved in that negative test sequence understood the impact of a failed negative test -- it's far beyond just giving people bad news, it is a life and death kind of thing. i just cannot believe that anyone in a leadership position on that rig (co. man, toolpusher, driller, etc) would have elected to go forward w/ displacing to SW if they understood that the well was not totally secure.
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:27 am to
quote:

i just cannot believe that anyone in a leadership position on that rig (co. man, toolpusher, driller, etc) would have elected to go forward w/ displacing to SW if they understood that the well was not totally secure.


That's what I'm having a hard time with also. If BP decided to push forward despite the negative test results, you'd think that a TO pusher or OIM would have stepped up and used a SWA. I've worked for BP before, and know that they utilize that practice.

(Not saying BP did this, just using it as an example)
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:31 am to
quote:

i just cannot believe that anyone in a leadership position on that rig (co. man, toolpusher, driller, etc) would have elected to go forward w/ displacing to SW if they understood that the well was not totally secure.


Even with my VERY limited knowledge I know that in anything that I was doing, if there was ANY sign of danger I wouldn't go forward. I am sure it's not that simple though here.


Also, when they talk toolpusher, driller, mud engineer ...what type of education as far as formal education? Is it mainly on the job training that they have had through the years? What are the "professional" positions on the rig I guess is my question ... not that a "professional education" always means much. Just curious ...
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:33 am to
BP Macondo

A little more detailed than the Fox story.....
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Summary: BP would have been calling the shots. On location, his title is Drill Site Manager



Does anyone know name of who was the Drill Site Manager ?







Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:39 am to
quote:

if there was ANY sign of danger I wouldn't go forward. I am sure it's not that simple though here.

that's easy to say, but it can be very hard to do that in practice when you know you're about to shut down the job and maybe aren't 100% confident in your understanding of the situation. even if you emphasize there's no negative consequences for stopping the job, people won't stop it at times just for fear of looking foolish. it's just a part of human nature.

that said, w/ something this serious and w/ potentially catastrophic effects like this -- i just can't see moving forward if there were obvious indicators of an influx. now, if the test is conducted improperly, then you can get inaccurate results that could be misinterpreted.

the rank order of the drilling personnel would be like this: roustabout, roughneck, derrickman, asst. driller, driller, toolpusher, OIM. most of them would have strictly on the job training, but in recent years there's been a fair number of dudes going through the 14/14 type program at nicholls.

for the company personnel for a deepwater well like this you'd maybe have an drilling engineer on location (w/ an engineering degree) and any number of company men -- may or may not have degrees, may or may not have lengthy oilfield experience, may or may not be a third party consultant.
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
Edmond, OK
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Also, when they talk toolpusher, driller, mud engineer ...what type of education as far as formal education


It really depends.

Toolpushers usually come up through the ranks with drilling companies, starting as a roustabout and working up from there. Generally, it's hands on training for these positions.

Drillers are the same thing, just a few notches under the pusher. From a driller, you'd usually go to night toolpusher, then lead pusher (that's the normal progression).

Mud engineers are trained by the mud company they hire on with. Baker has a really good school in Houston they send you to when you hire on, course is 4 - 6 weeks. Your sole responsibility when a mud eng is the mud weights and properties, and all chemical additives. They are there to make sure you're really putting 12.6 mud into the formation when you want to put 12.6 mud in.

The BP company men (drill site managers) could have come up through the ranks, or they could have a degree. Some are engineers, some aren't. You don't necessarily have to have a degree to be a DSM. Most of the older DSM's have come up through the ranks with a drilling company before they hired on with a oil company.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:40 am to
quote:

you'd think that a TO pusher or OIM would have stepped up and used a SWA.


Sorry, no comprende ...

And what is the comfort level of a "joe" telling about a suspected problem? Is it encouraged; frowned upon? I mean ... would a nursing aide tell the doctor he's wrong? You know, chain of command type thing.
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:44 am to
quote:

BP now says there was a clear warning sign of a "very large abnormality" in the well,


that abnormality was when they saw chunks of rubber coming across the shakers. those chunks were actually chunks of the annular. they should have stopped operations at that point.

Posted by tiger91
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:46 am to
Oilfield and BROffshore ... man, ya'll are a wealth of info. I'm still sickened that this happened to the deceased and to our state and area in general but I have to say perhaps now I (and many others) understand a FRACTION of a % of what it takes to get the oil that EVERYONE uses EVERYDAY. It's kinda like my husband being a rice farmer ... never thought about where my food came from until we got married and I was part of the process.

Anyway, I think that I'm surprised that "true engineers" aren't out there ... don't know why ... just thought there were.

Again, blessings to all involved from crew to resuce workers, to those still doing the job elsewhere.
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
Edmond, OK
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:50 am to
quote:

you'd think that a TO pusher or OIM would have stepped up and used a SWA


Sorry about that. I get carried away sometimes.

You'd think that a Transocean pusher or OIM (offshore installation manager - different terminalogy for the same position) would have stepped up and used a Stop Work Authority.

I can't speak for what happened on the rig. I can tell you that the company I work for uses SWA's, and encourages anyone on one of their facilities to shut down the job if they are uncomfortable, or think it might be unsafe.

Most major's use this program. Idea behind it is that anyone, regardless of position, on any job, can shut that job down without any reprecussions to that person, or their company.

I've been on many many jobs where someone shut the job down, and we held a safety meeting to go over whatever the issue was. Sometimes it's been that a person didn't understand his role enough, so they went over it again. Sometimes it's for a safety reason.

Point being: If the cook goes to the company man and says he's uncomfortable or feels unsafe because of something, the job will be shut down and his concerns will be addressed, and nothing will happend to him because he was uncomfortable with it.

I know it's not perfect out there, and with that much testerone on location, people are going to but heads. It's inevitable. But there are procedures in place to deal with a difference of opinion, and for the most part, they are effective.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:51 am to
quote:

that abnormality was when they saw chunks of rubber coming across the shakers. those chunks were actually chunks of the annular. they should have stopped operations at that point.

first of all, the BOP stack was equipped w/ 2 annulars. even if one is damaged, it is perfectly okay to operation w/ a single annular -- most BOP stacks in use in the world only have 1 to be begin w/.

second, they would not have proceeded w/ the operation and kept a damaged annular in service if it failed to test. i don't doubt that the sequence of events as described on 60 minutes happened; however, it would end up w/ you re-testing the annular in question to see if it was damaged. if it passed the test, it passed the test; if it failed, then it would have been communicated to the MMS that it was out of service.

ETA: i did not realize you worked for a drilling contractor, sorry if i took a patronizing tone.
This post was edited on 5/26/10 at 9:07 am
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