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Pitching coach's job

Posted on 5/15/10 at 6:00 am
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 6:00 am
There was an interesting article in the L.A. Times the other day about the role of a pitching coach. Since this has been a topic of interest around here, I thought I'd share some of the more revealing excerpts:

• "Managers and coaches often get too much credit and too much blame," said Randy Wolf, who last season led the National League in starts and posted his best earned-run average in seven seasons under Honeycutt. "I'll never blame a pitching coach because I'm almost positive a pitching coach has never thrown a pitch for me."

• Some pitching coaches say their job title is misleading because, with countless hours of video work, tedious bullpen sessions and long game-planning meetings, THEY SPEND VERY LITTLE TIME COACHING PITCHING. "It's very, very difficult to change a pitcher's mechanics when they're 18, let alone 28," Angels Manager Mike Scioscia said.

• But a pitching coach most of the time is a counselor, confidant, babysitter, best friend or mentor. Sometimes, all of the above. "Yeah, you've got to do some counseling," (Angels' pitching coach) Butcher said. "You get to know these guys on a professional level. You get to know these guys on a personal level. And you try to work all those things in together and take them out on the field."

• Watching video, Honeycutt looks for hitters' "chase zones" — areas where hitters will reach for a pitch that often results in a swing and a miss. And he studies how hitters react on certain pitch counts.

I found point 2 especially interesting. I realize we're talking MLB here and not college ball, but I assume most of these points have relevance at the college level.





Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26437 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 7:12 am to
Interesting. Thanks
Posted by superd
Kenner
Member since Aug 2006
713 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:23 am to
great pitching coaches usually call pitches, know how to actually teach a curve, fast, slider, screwball, etc to pitchers, look at mechanics or pitchers doing week, know cold zones of hitters of upcoming teams by watching many hours of film, know what pitches to throw during what situation is on the field, use kids' strengthes and not weaknesses, occasionally develop new pitches in the off season for pitchers, work on pitchers pick off moves, build confidence and develop leadership in their pitchers on and off the field.

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59615 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:34 am to
idk what to think about the situation ill just trust that PM will make the correct decision
Posted by kellyval99
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2003
3522 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:39 am to
No doubt in my mind Grewe spends little time coaching pitching...

In college, the coaches still tend to call the pitches. My understanding has always been that Grewe has never before been a pitching coach. I think the issues with the pitching this year show that
Posted by gatiga463
georgia
Member since May 2010
15 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 12:45 pm to
Great article. Now do you think for a minute that even one of the coaches motivated a YOUNG athlete by throwing them under the bus and pulling them from a rotation. Then ignoring them and sitting them at the end of the bench! GREAT MOTIVATORS!!
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19717 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 1:33 pm to
Dave Duncan is arguably the best pitching coach in MLB.

He gets criticized for not developing young arms, but he has had successful reclamation projects--taking veteran pitchers thought to be washed up, correcting their mechanics and turning them into effective pitchers for the Cardinals.

I don't know if he coaches, counsels, mentors, or all three--but LSU's pitching coach needs to do some of it.

And YES--the pitching coach is accountable.

With this total staff meltdown, I'd say his job should be on the line.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29027 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Dave Duncan is arguably the best pitching coach in MLB.


I honestly don't think there is much 'arguably' to it. Dude is great.
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

And YES--the pitching coach is accountable.


As Wolf said, it's ultimately the guy on the mound who's responsible for what happens out there. But the PC is certainly responsible for doing whatever he can to help a pitcher play his best—whether it's tinkering with mechanics, providing effective motivation, etc. etc. One measurement I guess is gauge the full potential of an individual player or pitching staff—and see how close it has come to achieving its potential under the coach's supervision.
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