When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?

I think when 9-4 could have easily been 4-9, not a bad record but look how we played in every game basically except Auburn.

It's not really the record that is the disaster. It's the poor coaching, lack of player development, lack of discipline, lack of a productive offensive scheme(100 something in the nation) and lack of clock management. When 9-4 could have easily been 11-2 simply due to poor clock management by the coaching staff, then we have a disaster

Actually could have been 12-1.

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9-4 is a disaster when you have talent to be better and you don't improve.

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4 or more losses 38 times in 80 seasons...

9 wins only 24 times in the same length of time...

That's a tall order, fellas.

Ace, You are right tall order. However that is the state of college football. My first game in person was 1963. I have four tickets which I have been getting since 1970's. I seen the good the bad and the ugly. The 9-4 this year was ugly. I will be happy with 9-4 if it ain't ugly. We can do better than what we have seen this year. Talent is there the staff needs to coach it up and use the best players. Coach Miles needs to step it up.

Looking at just the record is a rather simplistic and shallow way of evaluating the team's performance.

But let's assume looking at only the record is sufficient. 9-4 is just great if all you aspire to for your team is a second tier status. Your 9-4 team isn't going to be playing in BCS bowls, isn't going to be in the SECCG, and isn't going to be in the BCSCG. Your 9-4 team is going to be lorded over by the likes of Alabama, UF, and Ole Miss, as well as get no respect out of conference.

Quite frankly all the folks who post that 10-3 and 9-4 are good enough are the real negatigers, people who are satisfied with mediocrity. As an LSU graduate, I have a bit more pride in my school and its sports teams than that. Excellence is something to be strived for all the time.

One thing Nick Saban understands very well, much better than Les does, is the continual drive to be the best, focusing on all of the details, and building a team, both within the players and the coaching staff. Les is sloppy and lets it all hang out. He is full of want (or something else).

We aren't going to get Nick back, but we should go look for coaches who have the same passion for excellence, continual improvement, and team-building capability.

But hey, if mediocrity is your gig, go right ahead and be happy with 9-4, 8-5, and 10-3. Just realize you are a true negatiger, setting your sights below what LSU can achieve.

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e: When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?

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When LSU started winning 11 games a season and winning titles and then we went 8-5, 9-4, and Saban wins 26 out of 28 games in the same time period

Your coach, Miles pulls down nearly $4 million each year.

9-4, 8-5 with that kind of money isn't acceptable.

Looking like crap is NOT acceptable.

NOT DOING ANYTHING (CROWTON ) TO FIX THE MATTER IS NOT ACCEPTABLE

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Every lost this year came down to the wire.

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Let me state this simply and clearly:

1. The players on our team are not being developed in a manner that lends to victory.

2. As that trend continues, those games that have "come down to the wire" over the last few years will continue to result in more losses than wins.

3. Remember this: We used to win those "close" games. Now we are losing them. And as long as the mediocrity is continued to be accepted we will start losing more of them to teams we shouldn't (Miss State, La. Tech, Washington.)

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When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?

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It's not a disaster, but it is certainly a problem for a $3.8 mil a year coach to go 8-5 and 9-4 in back-to-back years.

You make top dollar, you have top expectations.