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Question regarding what Miles brings to a team as HC....
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:53 pm
Many HCs are known as "defensive" guys or "offensive" guys. IE, if Saban is your HC, one thing you believe will be the case is that he will ensure quality defense. If you hire Meyer, you expect he will have a direct effect on the offense.
I would say that most HCs(not all of course) fit this description. Basically, an HC known for defense simply needs to hire a good OC and vice versa. Sure, they hire a coordinator for their side of the ball too but it's always understood that guys like Saban and Meyer are as much the coordinators as the guys holding the spot.
Now THIS is the biggie. Rarely does it matter who actually holds the DC spot under Saban or the OC spot under Meyer. THEY ensure reasonable quality.
CLEARLY, for Miles, the defensive side of the ball is NOT his deal. Otherwise, last year's disaster wouldn't have been as bad. IE, under Saban, Malveto wouldn't have been as big a problem.
Now, our offense is a disaster. Again, no mitigating effect from the HC.
So, what exactly is Miles' expertise? What does he bring to the team as HC? Is he just a figurehead? Just a CEO type? What?
Seems fair to ask.
I would say that most HCs(not all of course) fit this description. Basically, an HC known for defense simply needs to hire a good OC and vice versa. Sure, they hire a coordinator for their side of the ball too but it's always understood that guys like Saban and Meyer are as much the coordinators as the guys holding the spot.
Now THIS is the biggie. Rarely does it matter who actually holds the DC spot under Saban or the OC spot under Meyer. THEY ensure reasonable quality.
CLEARLY, for Miles, the defensive side of the ball is NOT his deal. Otherwise, last year's disaster wouldn't have been as bad. IE, under Saban, Malveto wouldn't have been as big a problem.
Now, our offense is a disaster. Again, no mitigating effect from the HC.
So, what exactly is Miles' expertise? What does he bring to the team as HC? Is he just a figurehead? Just a CEO type? What?
Seems fair to ask.
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Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:57 pm to ShortyRob
Miles' been an OC for a total of 3 years, but most of his other coaching time is TE's coach and OL Coach.
Outside of our TE's flourishing, our OL has been a major issue this season and towards the end of last year a little.
Funny thing is when we had "talent issues" at OL thanks to Saban, Miles did "wonders" coaching up guys and getting the most out of our OL. Now that its all his guys and we have lots of talent (according to recruit rankings at least), they aren't developed at all.
I think that with Miles as your coach, you expect a strong offensive line.
Miles is like a poor-man's version of Mack Brown to me.
Outside of our TE's flourishing, our OL has been a major issue this season and towards the end of last year a little.
Funny thing is when we had "talent issues" at OL thanks to Saban, Miles did "wonders" coaching up guys and getting the most out of our OL. Now that its all his guys and we have lots of talent (according to recruit rankings at least), they aren't developed at all.
I think that with Miles as your coach, you expect a strong offensive line.
Miles is like a poor-man's version of Mack Brown to me.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:57 pm to ShortyRob
Supposedly an OL expert as he played OL under BO in Michigan.
Figured even that is a big bogus the way out OL performed this year.
He just need to GTFO. No emotions or No sound basics whatsoever.
Figured even that is a big bogus the way out OL performed this year.
He just need to GTFO. No emotions or No sound basics whatsoever.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:57 pm to ShortyRob
OLine....Didn't you see how dominant they were this year?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:58 pm to ShortyRob
I've been wondering that all year myself and obviously that makes me a negatiger but i would rather be called a commonsensetiger.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:59 pm to ShortyRob
Well, he's brought a national championship and 10 wins a season for 5 years (if we win bowl game). And he's brought a perfect record in bowl games. But your point about specific expertise is taken ... his "expertise" is on the offensive side of the ball, but he certainly is not an offensive "guru" as some might consider Saban to be a defensive "guru."
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:06 pm to TigerJeff
Just to correct you, so far he's brought us 3 10+ win seasons in the past 5 years. If we win the bowl it will be 4 out of 5.
But please punish Saban for playing in seasons where we had 11 regular season games.
We were 9-3 in 2004, and had we had the extra rent a win Mies had this year, we'd have finisshed with 10 wins likely that year, meaning Saban had 10+ wins 3 out of his last 4 years, just like Miles had.
But please punish Saban for playing in seasons where we had 11 regular season games.
We were 9-3 in 2004, and had we had the extra rent a win Mies had this year, we'd have finisshed with 10 wins likely that year, meaning Saban had 10+ wins 3 out of his last 4 years, just like Miles had.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:09 pm to LSUMafia
quote:no one really knows, but he has a lot of "want" to do various things...that's about as much as he does as far as I can tell, he 'wants' a lot.
Question regarding what Miles brings to a team as HC....
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:12 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
What does he bring to the team as HC?
...likeable Tard who can recruit...?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:14 pm to TigerJeff
His success is truly relied on his coordinators. This is why coordinators are under so much pressure. It doesn't take a "guru" to be able to have anymore success with all this talent on offense. And if Crowton stays it's gonna get worse...
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:16 pm to dodgelsu09
Weird, he sounds exactly like Pete Carroll, Joe Pa (even in his prime), Bobby Bowden (in his prime, too), and Mack Brown to me. And we all know they suck at coaching.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:40 pm to Nearl
Yeah. But since I'm giving this topic an inordinate amount of my time and thought, I DO have to say that I think Saban's hiring philosophy is perhaps better than Miles in that Miles hires proven, solid guys (Crowton, Chavis) who clearly are not ever going to be head coaches again, while Saban hires guys that you can envision being hired away by someone as a head coach (same could be said for Meyer, i.e., Mullen, Strong)... so I guess I'd prefer it if Miles would hire younger, more energetic coordinators. I think this Frank Wilson hire is excellent and I think will reap benefits. I was really pissed at the end of the Ol Miss at Miles, but am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the program remains strong and headed in the right direction.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:47 pm to Nearl
Mack was a big time OC most of his career before becoming a HC.
Pete Carroll? Do you know ANYTHING about football? He's their DC just like Saban.
Joe Pa and Bowden have been around a while, and look at their teams once the coordinators left. Once Richt left, their offenses went to crap. Same thing at PSU. They have had down years until recently because of Joe Pa's being a useless coach in many ways.
Again, Mack Brown struggled at UT to win conference championships until he got the right assistants. Even with Muschamp their defense is still taking time to improve.
What that shows is how critical hires are for Miles. You can't frick around with them.
Pete Carroll? Do you know ANYTHING about football? He's their DC just like Saban.
Joe Pa and Bowden have been around a while, and look at their teams once the coordinators left. Once Richt left, their offenses went to crap. Same thing at PSU. They have had down years until recently because of Joe Pa's being a useless coach in many ways.
Again, Mack Brown struggled at UT to win conference championships until he got the right assistants. Even with Muschamp their defense is still taking time to improve.
What that shows is how critical hires are for Miles. You can't frick around with them.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:55 pm to ShortyRob
The HC shouldn't be the coordinator...
The HC is the public face of the team.
The HC is the final decision---or at least responsible for those decisions.
The HC sets the team climate / culture
The HC decides if the coaches undr him are the right fit...and if not he must make the
necessary changes
SABAN ran the defense and probably worked 20 hours a day...he did it because his unrealistic demands vaused a lot of turnover
on his staff. That was his big hit--he was hard to work for.
Perhaps this is the type coach u want. It is obvious the type person Saban is---consumed by his own ego...at the expense of everything else in his life. Miles relies on his staff...because he believes he can achieve success without sacrificing his family life.....and I think he's done that.
The HC is the public face of the team.
The HC is the final decision---or at least responsible for those decisions.
The HC sets the team climate / culture
The HC decides if the coaches undr him are the right fit...and if not he must make the
necessary changes
SABAN ran the defense and probably worked 20 hours a day...he did it because his unrealistic demands vaused a lot of turnover
on his staff. That was his big hit--he was hard to work for.
Perhaps this is the type coach u want. It is obvious the type person Saban is---consumed by his own ego...at the expense of everything else in his life. Miles relies on his staff...because he believes he can achieve success without sacrificing his family life.....and I think he's done that.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:57 pm to LSUMafia
Mack Brown was the OC at LSU under Stovall and took us to the Orange Bowl.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:00 pm to airbornetiger
Ummm... I'd hope my head coach took his job as seriously as Saban does.
Dodes Urban do the same thing? Petrino? Carroll?
Nobody is saying Miles should be running either side of the ball COMPLETELY, but being a figure head is utterly pointless. He's a horrible game manager, and please realize unlike the pros there are coaching limits for the number of coaches allowed per team.
Dodes Urban do the same thing? Petrino? Carroll?
Nobody is saying Miles should be running either side of the ball COMPLETELY, but being a figure head is utterly pointless. He's a horrible game manager, and please realize unlike the pros there are coaching limits for the number of coaches allowed per team.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:04 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Question regarding what Miles brings to a team as HC....
I am going to go out on a limb and say it's not clock management.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:07 pm to TigerJeff
quote:
But your point about specific expertise is taken ... his "expertise" is on the offensive side of the ball, but he certainly is not an offensive "guru" as some might consider Saban to be a defensive "guru."
Bottom line imo re: Saban vs. Miles...Saban works harder than Miles. Miles is resting on his laurels.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:20 pm to windriver
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Miles is resting on his laurels.
Go spank yourself.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:30 pm to LSUMafia
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Mack was a big time OC most of his career before becoming a HC
this is a completely false statement. he held an OC job at iowa state for a short time BEFORE LSU hired him to be our QB coach. he left LSU to be the HC at appalaccia (sp)state in boone, nc. he wanted to be LSU's head coach but we hire bill arnsbarger instead. at the time, it was a good move. once mack became a head coach, he stepped aside and let his coaches coach. he's just like miles (or the other way around). both are CEO style coaches.
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