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Crowton shouldn't be fired...
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:24 pm
Hear me out. Yes, I know the offense has been our biggest problem but not enough to fire him over. Crowton is one of the best offensive minds in the business, hands down. His problem is he lacks some coaching ability. He can't displine these kids. I know from meeting him more than once that he is incapible of hurting a fly. I don't think our biggest problem was the offensive scheme (though it needed some help), it is the offensive line. Most people think a quarterback makes a offense but true football fans know that without a decent offensive line, you are going no where fast. Therefore, the O-line coach (Studrawa) might need to go.
My problem with Crowton is that he is the quarterbacks coach along with being the offensive coordinator. It is obvious that Jordan Jefferson needs to be worked with, he is still stuck in 5A high school ball. LSU needs a quarterback coach that can develop him and in the future Russell Shepard.
Now in my perfect LSU football world, Les Miles would pull a Sean Payton here and take some of his own salary and find a good quarterbacks coach and let Crowton do what he does best, run an offense, not coach the quarterback.
I really hope McCarthy isn't leaving. In my opinion, he is one of the best (if not the best) assistant coaches LSU has and if LSU has to give him a raise to stay, he should get it. Our WRs have been amazing for the past few years since he has been here and he has such much more talent he could develop at LSU.
My problem with Crowton is that he is the quarterbacks coach along with being the offensive coordinator. It is obvious that Jordan Jefferson needs to be worked with, he is still stuck in 5A high school ball. LSU needs a quarterback coach that can develop him and in the future Russell Shepard.
Now in my perfect LSU football world, Les Miles would pull a Sean Payton here and take some of his own salary and find a good quarterbacks coach and let Crowton do what he does best, run an offense, not coach the quarterback.
I really hope McCarthy isn't leaving. In my opinion, he is one of the best (if not the best) assistant coaches LSU has and if LSU has to give him a raise to stay, he should get it. Our WRs have been amazing for the past few years since he has been here and he has such much more talent he could develop at LSU.
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Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:25 pm to lsugirl5807
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Crowton is one of the best offensive minds in the business, hands down.
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His problem is he lacks some coaching ability.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:27 pm to pioneerbasketball
i can't wait for all the jj supporters to stand up for him with excuses like...it's a new system, give him time, next year will be our year...imo you guys should keep crowton...jj's gonna suck worse next year with a new coach
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:27 pm to lsugirl5807
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Crowton is one of the best offensive minds in the business, hands down.
that's why he's had prolonged success at various stops in his career
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's why he's had prolonged success at various stops in his career
I hate to break it to you guys, but when your offensive line can't block worth a shite nothing will work. Not the pass with a inconsisent quarterback and definely not the run. So if you can tell me what Crowton has done wrong, I will believe you, but right now, I think LSU would be stupid to fire him.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:34 pm to lsugirl5807
exactly...someone with some sense
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:44 pm to lsugirl5807
senseless erratic play calling, offense w/o an identity, offensive flow, QB development (lack of). OL was a major problem, but so was just ab everything on that side of the ball. What kind of OC calls repeated options to the short side of the field w/ a QB who can't run it? Then to continue to call it w/ said QB has a sprained ankle? Did you forget the clusterfrick that was the end of the OM game?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:45 pm to Johnny Utah9
So the guy has used the same exact plays for like 3 years over and over again. P.S. the guy isn't very smart if your getting stopped over and over again running the ball and throwing bubble screens then for christ sake throw it down the field
This post was edited on 11/30/09 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:02 pm to lsugirl5807
Yes the offensive line sucks horribly, but there are smarter things an OC could do to help mask this. What Houston did in the first half against the Colts yesterday would be a good blueprint. Playaction, bootlegs, screens....and oh maybe not running pass plays where there is absolutely no check down option. I'm sure he's a great guy and can design very complex offenses, but his situational playcalling this year was absolutely awful.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:04 pm to FLObserver
I'd be happy if they kept Crowton. As long as they hire a QB coach.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:07 pm to Johnny Utah9
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.jj's gonna suck worse next year with a new coach
Fail: JJ improved this year and can be even better next year. A solid running game expands his game. Hire an OC that is not so utterly predictable.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:07 pm to FLObserver
You cant have an idenity when 5 of the 11 offensive players dont know what the hell is going on. Get GC a qb coach a o line that can block and he will have success again and will be the wizard. You hide a up and coming but not there yet qb with a running game, oline cant run block so we are up a creek. There is a difference between a person who has great plays, call a good game, and one who can teach a qb the proper fundamentals. shite Tom Brady looks like he has poor fundamentals when his line couldnt block the giants.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:13 pm to Dalosaqy
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Hire an OC that is not so utterly predictable.
I'm so sick and tired of the "predictable" complaints. If our fans actually watched the games, they would know that our offensive issues are because it's so unpredictable and has absolutely no identity. They try to do soooo much shite offensively and try to got too many players involved, that none of it ends up working.
I'd actually prefer a little more predictability in our offense. Line up in the same formation every single play, run the ball 3.5 yards every play, and you will never be stopped. I'm being a little sarcastic, but you get my point.
FWIW, it's pretty easy for a fan to predict run or pass given that there's a 50% chance that they will be correct. And actually the odds of being right go up depending on the down and distance.
This post was edited on 11/30/09 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:14 pm to 102362
quote:what a load of shite
You cant have an idenity when 5 of the 11 offensive players dont know what the hell is going on.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:16 pm to JPLSU1981
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I'm so sick and tired of the "predictable" complaints. If our fans actually watched the games, they would know that our offensive issues are because it's so unpredictable and has absolutely no identity. They try to do soooo much shite, that none of it works.
I'd actually prefer a little more predictability in our offense.
exactly.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:16 pm to Books
Usually I am not sexist but I should have stopped reading here
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lsugirl5807
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:17 pm to lsugirl5807
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Crowton is one of the best offensive minds in the business, hands down.
and Lou Tepper was one of the best defensive minds in the business
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:20 pm to lsugirl5807
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Crowton shouldn't be fired...
Yes he should.
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Now in my perfect LSU football world, Les Miles would pull a Sean Payton here and take some of his own salary and find a good quarterbacks coach
You can't magically hire another asst. coach. There is an NCAA limit as to how many asst. coaches you can have on one staff.
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and let Crowton do what he does best, run an offense, not coach the quarterback.
Crowton might be good at many things, but running an offense isn't one of them. Look at his previous coaching stops. Strong year 1 followed by decline. This is the 3rd time it's happened.
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I really hope McCarthy isn't leaving. In my opinion, he is one of the best (if not the best) assistant coaches LSU has and if LSU has to give him a raise to stay, he should get it.
McCarthy is a gone pecan and it ain't his decision. He's been doing some things he shouldn't be doing.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:38 pm to lsugirl5807
No, he SHOULD be fired and I'll give you four reasons why:
1) He cannot develop a QB to save his life and we can't afford an OC that can't do that, unless Crowton is going to coach another position say RB or WR (God help us) and we hire a QB coach.
2) The offense, as many have said, has no identity whatsoever. It's the most schizophrenic offense I have ever seen in all my days of watching organized football. This hurts continuity and rhythm.
3) The fact that when plays are working, he outsmarts himself and everyone else by never using them again and continually using plays that our personnel doesn't fit AND is overly complex. See the Ole Miss game. All he had to do was run simple short routes or run the ball. What does he do on first down? 3 go routes and near sack, then 3 more long routes and a sack.
4) He has as much to do with our OL problems as anyone. When your offense is that schizo, what do you expect of your OL? Spread OL have a lot different blocking schemes and his ridiculous variation in plays hurt LSU.
The reason he always does well his first year is he applies a transition from the old offense to his. Thus he's good at using other people's good schemes, but when you get into HIS schemes, they are utter shite.
1) He cannot develop a QB to save his life and we can't afford an OC that can't do that, unless Crowton is going to coach another position say RB or WR (God help us) and we hire a QB coach.
2) The offense, as many have said, has no identity whatsoever. It's the most schizophrenic offense I have ever seen in all my days of watching organized football. This hurts continuity and rhythm.
3) The fact that when plays are working, he outsmarts himself and everyone else by never using them again and continually using plays that our personnel doesn't fit AND is overly complex. See the Ole Miss game. All he had to do was run simple short routes or run the ball. What does he do on first down? 3 go routes and near sack, then 3 more long routes and a sack.
4) He has as much to do with our OL problems as anyone. When your offense is that schizo, what do you expect of your OL? Spread OL have a lot different blocking schemes and his ridiculous variation in plays hurt LSU.
The reason he always does well his first year is he applies a transition from the old offense to his. Thus he's good at using other people's good schemes, but when you get into HIS schemes, they are utter shite.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 6:41 pm to lsugirl5807
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I hate to break it to you guys, but when your offensive line can't block worth a shite nothing will work
So you keep dropping the guy back 7 steps? Is that the answer?
I was over after the Florida game. You cant suck that bad at your job and get away with it.
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