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The Chad Jones hit
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:40 am
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:40 am
I know people have been talking about this but I didn't see anything about THIS angle when I sifted quickly through the different threads.
I was at the game in the student section and THIS is what pissed me off most about that penalty.
Whether or not it was a penalty is secondary to me because the ref in the endzone RIGHT NEXT TO the hit did NOT throw the flag.
The flag came literally 5-6 seconds after people were already on the ground from the line judge on the back side of the play over by the Arkansas bench.
So to review, the guy with the best angle did not throw the flag and a guy with a worse angle BUT was next to the Arky bench threw it quite awhile after the play was over.
That was what pissed me off so much.
I was at the game in the student section and THIS is what pissed me off most about that penalty.
Whether or not it was a penalty is secondary to me because the ref in the endzone RIGHT NEXT TO the hit did NOT throw the flag.
The flag came literally 5-6 seconds after people were already on the ground from the line judge on the back side of the play over by the Arkansas bench.
So to review, the guy with the best angle did not throw the flag and a guy with a worse angle BUT was next to the Arky bench threw it quite awhile after the play was over.
That was what pissed me off so much.
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Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:41 am to OldIowaTiger
But it was still helmet-to-helmet.
Getting the correct call is so much better than any alternative.
Getting the correct call is so much better than any alternative.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:45 am to Ricohoc
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Getting the correct call is so much better than any alternative.
Personally, I don't think any game should be decided on a marginal call when the player is trying to make a game saving play on a ball in the endzone with 1 minute left.
As an official, unless the defensive player clearly leads with the helmet in an obvious attempt to hurt the WR, that flag should stay in the officials pocket.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:46 am to OldIowaTiger
The replay showed Jones first contact was with the shoulder but the force of the collision caused their helmets to hit.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:52 am to moneyg
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As an official, unless the defensive player clearly leads with the helmet in an obvious attempt to hurt the WR, that flag should stay in the officials pocket.
Rules are rules, my friend, and I'm thankful that you don't write them.
By your way of thinking, a referee would have to get into a player's mind to determine whether or not there was intent.
When referees start determining penalties that way, they allow their personal feelings about the situation to enter the equation, and then they determine outcome. Referees are not there to determine outcome. They're there to enforce rules as they are written.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:54 am to aglandry
I agree he led with his shoulder, but the helmet hit too because of the contact.
Also, if he doesn't hit him it is a TD
Also, if he doesn't hit him it is a TD
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 10:55 am
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:55 am to Ricohoc
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Referees are not there to determine outcome
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:56 am to LSU0407
That was NOT a spear.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 10:56 am to OldIowaTiger
He led with his helmet. Maybe not intentionally, but it was the correct call. Don't really care how far the referee is as long as the call is correct.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:02 am to Ricohoc
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But it was still helmet-to-helmet.
So any helmet to helmet contact is a penalty? I guess we needed a few more of those in this game. If the same exact hit was softer and the players popped right up the penalty would not have been called, FACT.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:05 am to Ricohoc
He turned his head to the right and the contact was made mostly by his left shoulder. Watch the replay. BAD CALL!!!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:07 am to nhsj012
He led with his shoulder, but there was helmet to helmet contact. It happens. If it didn't, they wouldn't need helmets.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:09 am to nhsj012
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So any helmet to helmet contact is a penalty?
Only on defenseless players.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:17 am to JustSmokin
The rule is flawed. I remember a game a few weeks ago when the ball carrier lowered his head and initiated contact but helmet to helmet was called on the defensive player. It is entirely too subjective.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:19 am to JustSmokin
A defenseless player is defined as one who does not have the ball and is out of the play.
The Arkansas palyer had both hands on the ball when CJ led with his left shoulder.
As aonother poster stated, the blind man furtherest from the play is the moron that threw the flag. Please note that the officials closest to the play did not reach for a hanky.
The Arkansas palyer had both hands on the ball when CJ led with his left shoulder.
As aonother poster stated, the blind man furtherest from the play is the moron that threw the flag. Please note that the officials closest to the play did not reach for a hanky.
This post was edited on 11/29/09 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:23 am to tigernchicago
Jones led with his shoulder, plain as day. The helmet to helmet contact was incidental and a flag should NOT have been thrown.
Damn you know a hit is wicked when equipment goes flying all over the place.
Damn you know a hit is wicked when equipment goes flying all over the place.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:27 am to Ricohoc
Helmet to Helmet my arse! I watched it frame by frame on my DVR.He hit with his shoulder first than there hemets hit!He didn't lead with his helmet first! Bad call! Again!
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:37 am to JustSmokin
...no, my friend, no - you are wrong...multiple replays show it was not a "leading with the helmet" type hit...it was a solid blast, indeed, but just a high up hit, and the helmet comes "up" from mostly shoulder impact...I mean, thats what I see...and the damn flag was WAY late, thrown by a ref who did NOT have an angle or decent view of play. BAD call. 
Posted on 11/29/09 at 11:38 am to OldIowaTiger
why did the flag come from the side ref rather than the back ref who was like 10 feet away from the play is what im wondering
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