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Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:22 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I've said that forever. How could you not?
OK !! I missed that. I guess. BUT that means OSU was VERY LUCKY to get there. And of courese they played in the SORRY TEN.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
Could you be more narrow minded in your responses.
It has yet to be determined which SEC team will be there, so I said SEC as opposed to Florida or Bama, but one of them will be in the game.
Now, Texas, on the other hand, will have to get by Nebraska first. So, it may be a moot point to discuss the possiblity of the matchup from that perspective. But, the SEC WILL be there.
Texas has shown no ability to move the ball on good run defenses. I don't make this prediction based on what happened last night. I follow the entire season and watch what I can.
I don't think they match up well with either of the SEC teams that will be in the championship game. Both Florida and Bama have the team speed to slow down the short passing game, and both will stuff the run.
McCoy will be forced to run on passing downs, and I like the defense's chances when this happens. My reason for being so confident lies in the fact that Florida and Alabama's defenses are tested in crunch time, and will be hard to score on when it counts.
It has yet to be determined which SEC team will be there, so I said SEC as opposed to Florida or Bama, but one of them will be in the game.
Now, Texas, on the other hand, will have to get by Nebraska first. So, it may be a moot point to discuss the possiblity of the matchup from that perspective. But, the SEC WILL be there.
Texas has shown no ability to move the ball on good run defenses. I don't make this prediction based on what happened last night. I follow the entire season and watch what I can.
I don't think they match up well with either of the SEC teams that will be in the championship game. Both Florida and Bama have the team speed to slow down the short passing game, and both will stuff the run.
McCoy will be forced to run on passing downs, and I like the defense's chances when this happens. My reason for being so confident lies in the fact that Florida and Alabama's defenses are tested in crunch time, and will be hard to score on when it counts.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:27 pm to dukke v
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BUT that means OSU was VERY LUCKY to get there.
They were lucky to win a lot of their games, yes. They were still less lucky to win the NC than every National Champ with one (or two) losses.
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And of courese they played in the SORRY TEN.
They played a very solid Texas Tech and a very, very good Washington State out of conf. In addition, the Big 10 went 5-2 in bowl games that year. OSU's schedule was tough that year. And they still had to beat what many consider the greatest team ever to not win a National Championship in the NCG.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:28 pm to dukke v
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that means OSU was VERY LUCKY to get there.
So was Florida in 2006 and to a lesser extent in 2008. Same with Saban/LSU in 2003. Always takes some luck to win the NC in CFB
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:35 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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They played a very solid Texas Tech
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and a very, very good Washington State out of conf
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:39 pm to dukke v
TTU went 9-5 in 2002, including a win over #9 Texas. That's not solid?
Washington State went 10-3, including a Pac-10 co-championship with USC (who Wazzu beat that year, which, until this year, was the last time USC hadn't earned the conference's BCS auto-bid), and a Rose Bowl berth. They finished the year in the top 10. That's not very good?
Washington State went 10-3, including a Pac-10 co-championship with USC (who Wazzu beat that year, which, until this year, was the last time USC hadn't earned the conference's BCS auto-bid), and a Rose Bowl berth. They finished the year in the top 10. That's not very good?
This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:41 pm to wahoocs
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Texas has shown no ability to move the ball on good run defenses.
really? How many have they played? They really haven't done that well on the ground period this year. That doesn't mean they can't score. Have Florida or Bama played a QB as good as McCoy?
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I don't think they match up well with either of the SEC teams that will be in the championship game.
that is a reasonable assessment, saying they have no chance is not. This game will not be like USC-OU. Texas' D is legit and neither Bama or Florida have an offense any where near what USC did in 2004.
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Both Florida and Bama have the team speed to slow down the short passing game, and both will stuff the run.
Texas has team speed, just as much as Bama for sure and comparable to Florida this notion that SEC speed is unstoppable has become comical, and blown way out of proportion after the UF-OSU game. The speed difference in that game was UF's DE vs OSU OL. Texas OL is not slow and un-athletic like OSU.
This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/27/09 at 5:43 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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TTU went 9-5 in 2002, including a win over #9 Texas. That's not solid?
Washington State went 10-3, including a Pac-10 co-championship with USC (who Wazzu beat that year, which, until this year, was the last time USC hadn't earned the conference's BCS auto-bid), and a Rose Bowl berth. They finished the year in the top 10. That's not very good?
OK!!! So you beat teams that beat teams that weren't that good!!! BTW I have NO problem with what OSU did against Miami. They deserved to win THAT GAME!!! IT was an HISTORIC UPSET!!!!
Posted on 11/27/09 at 6:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
I think my words were "as boring as" the USC-Oklahoma game, and some of you took off with that like I was comparing the SEC's offenses with USC's.
I apologize for the confusion, but it is my belief that Texas will be unable to score enough points to make it a competitive matchup.
And I really appreciate that you give me credit for a "reasonable assessment." I'll be sure to note this and use it as future reference when discussing such matters on this site.
I apologize for the confusion, but it is my belief that Texas will be unable to score enough points to make it a competitive matchup.
And I really appreciate that you give me credit for a "reasonable assessment." I'll be sure to note this and use it as future reference when discussing such matters on this site.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 6:32 pm to dukke v
FWIW, you laugh at TTU and Washington State, but so did we.
Ohio State > TTU 45-21
Ohio State > Washington State(Pac10 Co-Champs) 25-7
Ohio State > TTU 45-21
Ohio State > Washington State(Pac10 Co-Champs) 25-7
Posted on 11/27/09 at 6:45 pm to wahoocs
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I think my words were "as boring as" the USC-Oklahoma game, and some of you took off with that like I was comparing the SEC's offenses with USC's.
that game was a blow out where USC scored 55 points, its natural to assume you were predicting blow out when bring it up. 24-7 would be a boring game, but not remind any one of USC-OU.
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is my belief that Texas will be unable to score enough points to make it a competitive matchup.
OK, that's fair (better than calling you reasonable?
) While Florida and Bama have great D's, I don't see either as some all time legendary D. You also keep harping on Texas not being able to run as if they rely on the run. They are primarily a passing team and while McCoy can run, he really hasn't much this year. I do think Florida will beat Bama because Bama will not be able to run enough and I don't think McElroy can beat Florida passing.
If Arkansas can score 20 at the swamp, Texas could score enough to win in Pasadena. They have some big WR that could cause match up problems for the smallish CB's UF and Bama have. I suspect the UF/UA will win, but I will not count Texas out and I don't think it will be a beat down either, at most 10. OU had chances last year and I think that Florida team was better than either UF/UA this year.
ETA: Texas has a good D too, and neither Bama or Florida have been great on offense this year.
This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
We really don't differ in our opinions very much.
I just can't see Florida or Bama getting beat by anyone one dimensionally.
I should have stated that Texas has not been able to move the ball on the ground against anyone, and I would figure especially against those two teams.
So, that leaves us with the matchup of Texas' short passing game versus Florida's or Bama's pass defense. I love my chances with this matchup. Look what Oklahoma's D did. I'd expect the two SEC defenses to be even more opportunistic.
If you're hanging your hopes on what Arkansas was able to do against Florida, I don't think you'll see that team at that point in the season in a championship game. Florida, I think, was coming off their win at Tiger Stadium, and that game had letdown written all over it.
I don't see a blowout, I just don't think Texas has much of a chance to be in the game until the end. 10 points might be right, but I just can't find many scenarios where they can pull off a victory.
If they could establish any semblance of a running game, even after establishing the pass, but one-dimensionally, it's not gonna' happen.
I just can't see Florida or Bama getting beat by anyone one dimensionally.
I should have stated that Texas has not been able to move the ball on the ground against anyone, and I would figure especially against those two teams.
So, that leaves us with the matchup of Texas' short passing game versus Florida's or Bama's pass defense. I love my chances with this matchup. Look what Oklahoma's D did. I'd expect the two SEC defenses to be even more opportunistic.
If you're hanging your hopes on what Arkansas was able to do against Florida, I don't think you'll see that team at that point in the season in a championship game. Florida, I think, was coming off their win at Tiger Stadium, and that game had letdown written all over it.
I don't see a blowout, I just don't think Texas has much of a chance to be in the game until the end. 10 points might be right, but I just can't find many scenarios where they can pull off a victory.
If they could establish any semblance of a running game, even after establishing the pass, but one-dimensionally, it's not gonna' happen.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:13 pm to liverpoolwolverine
quote:I think Florida will beat Texas, because they match up better; Bama may have better backs, but A&M showed what a running QB can do against that D, not to mention, Tebow will probably be the best passer Texas will see all year. Also, the Florida D will be the best & fastest Texas will face all year. I think Texas would match up better with Bama, but then Bama probably matches up better with Florida- such is football...
I give UF a better shot.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:46 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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OSU won a NC by game after game beating some good, some mediocre, and some plain ole bad teams in dramatic fashion. UT plays one bad game (on the road against a rival), comes out on top, and that means they're going to get smoked in the NC?
To be fair, I doubt Texas will have the refs giftwrapping them the game.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:54 pm to TheYESMan
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To be fair, I doubt Texas will have the refs giftwrapping them the game.
A. Penalty happened in the first OT. There were two.
B. Watch the 4th qaurter around the 2 minute mark and tell me Ohio State shouldn't have won in regulation.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 9:55 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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B. Watch the 4th qaurter around the 2 minute mark and tell me Ohio State shouldn't have won in regulation.
Seriously. I freaking hate having to talk about this every time this is brought up in a thread, but idiots always forget/choose not to remember this. Miami got a BS call for them which allowed them to get the ball back and kick the game-tying FG to send it into OT.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 9:57 pm to dukke v
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OK!!! So you beat teams that beat teams that weren't that good!!!
I don't see how you can argue that, but even if you want to, the fact still holds that OSU's schedule wasn't easy that year, and certainly much tougher than it has been in the past few years.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:23 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
It gets real old. But I will keep the fight strong.
Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:28 pm to BuckeyeFan87
don't argue with PJ
I am sure he has severe mental deficiencies
I am sure he has severe mental deficiencies
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