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What makes one a "Miles Hater"?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:39 pm
Does the belief that LSU would enjoy more success against Alabama and Florida under another coach make one a "hater"?
Does the belief that there are coaches that perform better than Miles in the area of player development, game management, and game strategy, make one a "hater"?
These opinions are not mean spirited and are at their core motivated by a strong desire to see LSU achieve at the highest level in athletics.
Going forward, Miles apologists should come up with a more representative (of the motivation) characterization than Negatiger or hater.
Does the belief that there are coaches that perform better than Miles in the area of player development, game management, and game strategy, make one a "hater"?
These opinions are not mean spirited and are at their core motivated by a strong desire to see LSU achieve at the highest level in athletics.
Going forward, Miles apologists should come up with a more representative (of the motivation) characterization than Negatiger or hater.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:42 pm to Genghis Khan
In short yes.
BUT
Conversation about a replacement for Coach MIles should he leave for Michigan should be tolerated as that possibility does seem to exist.
BUT
Conversation about a replacement for Coach MIles should he leave for Michigan should be tolerated as that possibility does seem to exist.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:43 pm to Genghis Khan
There is a certain representation of the fanbase that believes you MUST love a coach if he is the coach of your team...like xiv or whoever he is with John Brady.
I like Miles as a person and would love to see him succeed in coaching even more, but I do not believe he has any more SEC titles in him after the possibility of next season.
TO be the head coach at LSU, all you have to do is recruit SE Texas and all of LA, which he has done well. Next, you have to develop the players you recruit...moving on. Then, you just have to halfway know what the hell you're doing...moving on.
I am an LSU fan, alum, and proud supporter of the three big sports. That does not mean I have to like the head coach. Smoke Laval, anyone?
I like Miles as a person and would love to see him succeed in coaching even more, but I do not believe he has any more SEC titles in him after the possibility of next season.
TO be the head coach at LSU, all you have to do is recruit SE Texas and all of LA, which he has done well. Next, you have to develop the players you recruit...moving on. Then, you just have to halfway know what the hell you're doing...moving on.
I am an LSU fan, alum, and proud supporter of the three big sports. That does not mean I have to like the head coach. Smoke Laval, anyone?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:45 pm to Genghis Khan
Miles is an awesome recruiter but horrible with managing time outs.
If he can make a great hire at OC this offseason and keep his defensive staff, then I look for miles to have an awesome year next year.
If he sticks with Crowton, he will be pushing peoples patitence to the limit bc Crowton just doenst have it anymore. He cant develop qb's.
If he can make a great hire at OC this offseason and keep his defensive staff, then I look for miles to have an awesome year next year.
If he sticks with Crowton, he will be pushing peoples patitence to the limit bc Crowton just doenst have it anymore. He cant develop qb's.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:50 pm to wryder1
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Crowton just doenst have it anymore. He cant develop qb's.
how are people as dumb as you even able to work a computer?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:51 pm to MastrShake
What's dumb about that? It's debatable at worst.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:02 pm to PiscesTiger
I am not a Miles fan for the following reasons:
- His teams perform the same stupid mistakes game after game with lack of discipline.
- His teams lack mental toughness and conditioning.
- Stubborness to put the best talent on the field.
- Playing to the level of competition, inability to put teams away when given the opportunity.
- Serious underutilization of talent.
- Overal he is a poor game day coach.
- He did not stand up to the SEC after his team and fans got hosed by poor officiating.
I do think he is a good recruiter and nice person. He is an average coach. I do not think average will cut it at LSU.
- His teams perform the same stupid mistakes game after game with lack of discipline.
- His teams lack mental toughness and conditioning.
- Stubborness to put the best talent on the field.
- Playing to the level of competition, inability to put teams away when given the opportunity.
- Serious underutilization of talent.
- Overal he is a poor game day coach.
- He did not stand up to the SEC after his team and fans got hosed by poor officiating.
I do think he is a good recruiter and nice person. He is an average coach. I do not think average will cut it at LSU.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:08 pm to PiscesTiger
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What's dumb about that? It's debatable at worst.
how is it even debatable? this is his third year. the 2007 team broke every offensive record we had, including points, ppg and td's.
year 2 was perriloux, who played very well in the SEC CG. with him gone, that left hatch, lee and jefferson, none of whom were ready to start for different reasons and there was nothing Crowton could do about that.
this is year 3, and as has been pointed out, Jordan is playing very well. 3 to 1 TD to INT. 63% completion, a 140 QBR. his numbers are just about identical to clausens in his 2nd year, except that was clausens second full year as a starter, and he was called a "10 year prospect" by rivals.
what is your argument that he cant develop QBs? he had a senior and LSU broke every record. year two he lost his starter and had to start from scratch. year 3, a sophomore is playing very well.
please explain this to me.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:12 pm to mikebtiger91
Miles has been very lucky. Now, to be lucky, you have to be good. But the following are games that could have easily went the other way:
2005:
Arizona State (JR and Doucet bailed out every coach)
Florida (5 turnovers and we squeek by...terrible 2nd half)
Auburn (Auburn misses 5 FGs)
Alabama (Down 10-0 and then OT)
Arkansas (Had to hold my breath the last 10 minutes)
2006:
Tennessee (Again, JR and ED)
Arkansas (Holliday saves us on sp teams)
Ole Miss (Unbelievable comback that only Orgeron would have let occur)
2007:
Florida (5-5 on 4th down...won't happen again)
Auburn (Unbelievable finish with MF to DB)
Alabama (Thank God Chad Jones did something right)
2008:
Auburn (Lee and LaFell and some helpful ref calls)
Troy (1/10,000 chance we pull that comeback again)
2009:
Miss State (QB pitches to Dixon and we lose)
Georgia (Game was all but over...thankfully officials were throwing flags like mad men)
Just pointing out that all of these games were in doubt. Did Miles have anything to do with these wins? Maybe some, but talent bailed him out of a few.
2005:
Arizona State (JR and Doucet bailed out every coach)
Florida (5 turnovers and we squeek by...terrible 2nd half)
Auburn (Auburn misses 5 FGs)
Alabama (Down 10-0 and then OT)
Arkansas (Had to hold my breath the last 10 minutes)
2006:
Tennessee (Again, JR and ED)
Arkansas (Holliday saves us on sp teams)
Ole Miss (Unbelievable comback that only Orgeron would have let occur)
2007:
Florida (5-5 on 4th down...won't happen again)
Auburn (Unbelievable finish with MF to DB)
Alabama (Thank God Chad Jones did something right)
2008:
Auburn (Lee and LaFell and some helpful ref calls)
Troy (1/10,000 chance we pull that comeback again)
2009:
Miss State (QB pitches to Dixon and we lose)
Georgia (Game was all but over...thankfully officials were throwing flags like mad men)
Just pointing out that all of these games were in doubt. Did Miles have anything to do with these wins? Maybe some, but talent bailed him out of a few.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:14 pm to MastrShake
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MastrShake
Have this debate with the original guy you called out. I am not saying you're wrong about JJ, but I have other beef with Crowton...mainly play-calling and setting his qb up to fail. In spite of his bad play-calling, JJ has done VERY well.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:15 pm to mikebtiger91
I think it's funny that you have 119 teams doing everything they can just win one championship. we have 2 in 5 years.
People are hiring nfl coaches, building stadiums and everything and anything to recruit kids.
it's just not that easy. I know we are in better position then most. But we are tooth and nail with the top 20 teams in the country.
pete carrol has only won 1 outright championship. If anyone has underacheived it's him. those kids fought like hell the other night. Lafell was crying on the sideline. Miles is a good coach, if not a great one. Some of you won't know what your missing until it's gone.
most of the time, the most sucessful teams are the most penalized ones. Just like the best athletes are the most injury prone.
I remember clear as day when saban was here. We had several "big games" where our team would totally break down. Turnovers, bobling balls, Kneeling on the one yard line, stupid mistakes. Several trips to florida, auburn, and georgia come to mind.
Our oline has improved a good bit. the team is gelling. We lost to the number 1 and 2 teams after they had bye weeks. Most of us predicted we would be 9 and 3. 10 and 2 would have been a pipe dream.
People are hiring nfl coaches, building stadiums and everything and anything to recruit kids.
it's just not that easy. I know we are in better position then most. But we are tooth and nail with the top 20 teams in the country.
pete carrol has only won 1 outright championship. If anyone has underacheived it's him. those kids fought like hell the other night. Lafell was crying on the sideline. Miles is a good coach, if not a great one. Some of you won't know what your missing until it's gone.
most of the time, the most sucessful teams are the most penalized ones. Just like the best athletes are the most injury prone.
I remember clear as day when saban was here. We had several "big games" where our team would totally break down. Turnovers, bobling balls, Kneeling on the one yard line, stupid mistakes. Several trips to florida, auburn, and georgia come to mind.
Our oline has improved a good bit. the team is gelling. We lost to the number 1 and 2 teams after they had bye weeks. Most of us predicted we would be 9 and 3. 10 and 2 would have been a pipe dream.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:16 pm to mikebtiger91
I agree with mbt, He's just not what LSU needs. To win the NC year in and year out the team needs to be meaner and nastier. Thats not Miles nature.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:17 pm to PiscesTiger
I admire Miles as a person and I would love to see him succeed, not just for LSU, but because of the type of person he is. I have been a pro-Miles guy since he got here. However, I am very disappointed in what has transpired over the last few days, I think it was a huge mistake to take the "gentleman's" position over the poor officiating. I don't call Miles out for it as much as Alleva/Miles, because Miles has an obligation to LSU to follow their position on such matters. It made LSU look weak and compliant.
I was flamed severely for stating this position on the board this morning, however I attended a luncheon today and spoke to several ex-players and long time fans who feel even more strongly about this than I do. Mike Grundy's outburst last year was lambasted in the press, the effect of it was to energize his team, his fans and his recruiting base.
This was a lost opportunity to make a bad situation a positive, to instill an "us against the world" comradery in the team. Now we just look like helpless victims.
I was flamed severely for stating this position on the board this morning, however I attended a luncheon today and spoke to several ex-players and long time fans who feel even more strongly about this than I do. Mike Grundy's outburst last year was lambasted in the press, the effect of it was to energize his team, his fans and his recruiting base.
This was a lost opportunity to make a bad situation a positive, to instill an "us against the world" comradery in the team. Now we just look like helpless victims.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:18 pm to mikebtiger91
quote:
I am not a Miles fan for the following reasons:
- His teams perform the same stupid mistakes game after game with lack of discipline.
- His teams lack mental toughness and conditioning.
- Stubborness to put the best talent on the field.
- Playing to the level of competition, inability to put teams away when given the opportunity.
- Serious underutilization of talent.
- Overal he is a poor game day coach.
- He did not stand up to the SEC after his team and fans got hosed by poor officiating.
i give up. you people have decided to hate miles and youll make up any dumb shite you can to justify it. you cant stand prosperity.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:19 pm to Genghis Khan
I'm not going to read all of this because; this makes me want to think, you better watch what you wish for? You might get worse!
Afterall, a critic is a legless man who teaches running!
Afterall, a critic is a legless man who teaches running!
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:22 pm to dreaux
i think it's funny that you bring up a bunch of "won" games in the past as "we could have lost".
This happens every year with all teams, unless your fortunate enough to be florida of 08, miami of 01 and usc of 04.
when we played arky in 06, that was a very good game. When we played auburn in 07 a field goal would have won. Hell we could of lost to ole miss in 03, but we didn't. Alot of teams get played VERY close. When florida won it's title in 06 they won a couple of games by a field goal in the final minutes. Look at alabama and florida this year??? iF ingram is not at bama, they are a 2 loss team
same thing with tebow at florida. So what the hell is your point?? Oh, you don't like miles. Got it.
This happens every year with all teams, unless your fortunate enough to be florida of 08, miami of 01 and usc of 04.
when we played arky in 06, that was a very good game. When we played auburn in 07 a field goal would have won. Hell we could of lost to ole miss in 03, but we didn't. Alot of teams get played VERY close. When florida won it's title in 06 they won a couple of games by a field goal in the final minutes. Look at alabama and florida this year??? iF ingram is not at bama, they are a 2 loss team
same thing with tebow at florida. So what the hell is your point?? Oh, you don't like miles. Got it.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:24 pm to andouille
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Now we just look like helpless victims.
no we dont. in case you hadn't noticed, the entire country knows we got fricked. its unanimous. anything Miles says will be seen as whining. and miles never airs this stuff in public, but that doesnt mean hes not doing anything. ask peveto and mallory if you dont agree.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:26 pm to dreaux
As our head coach, no...not so much. But I am not one who wants to fire him. I want to see what he can do next year. I also am not naive enough that we can fire him and hire some NFL Hall of Famer. Just pointing out that Miles has been very lucky here. Cannot deny that, Dreaux! Some say no such thing as luck, but in CFB, when you rely on telent to bail you out, it's no entirely creditable to you. Now, a situation like the Colt David fake FG and the play-calling vs. VT and Ohio State - totally give Miles a lot of credit there. But a 4th and long and JR finds Doucet in the corner of the endzone...no, not crediting Miles for that one. That was all JR.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:26 pm to andouille
Come on T (andouille),
I get where you are coming from but:
LM is going to be very successful, unfortunately for LSU after he leaves for greener pasture, it will come to past. Then what are we going to be saying? Just sayin!
I get where you are coming from but:
LM is going to be very successful, unfortunately for LSU after he leaves for greener pasture, it will come to past. Then what are we going to be saying? Just sayin!
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