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Alex Rodriguez is the AL MVP
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:26 pm
He won't win it, obviously, but I honestly think he is the literal Most Valuable Player. His numbers were pretty amazing considering he missed 25% of the season. Hit .286 with 30 homers and 100 RBI with a .933 OPS and 14 stolen bases in only 124 games. But his value cannot be measured by mere numbers. He absolutely changes the Yankees' entire lineup just by being in it. It filters up and down the lineup and makes everyone so much better. Texiera would not have had the year he had without ARod hitting behind him. Damon would not have had the year he had without Texiera having the year he had and so on.
And I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I know the Yankees were MUCH better this year with him in the lineup.
Also, I think it could be argued that Nick Swisher was a more important FA pickup than Texiera(who was great, don't get me wrong). Not only did Swisher have a surprisingly good year, I think the clubhouse probably benefitted significantly from his personality. Those stale-arse vets needed a shot in the arm of some energy/youth/fire, etc... The Yankees just look like they were having a whole lot of fun this year, and I think a good bit of that can be contributed to Swisher.
And I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I know the Yankees were MUCH better this year with him in the lineup.
Also, I think it could be argued that Nick Swisher was a more important FA pickup than Texiera(who was great, don't get me wrong). Not only did Swisher have a surprisingly good year, I think the clubhouse probably benefitted significantly from his personality. Those stale-arse vets needed a shot in the arm of some energy/youth/fire, etc... The Yankees just look like they were having a whole lot of fun this year, and I think a good bit of that can be contributed to Swisher.
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Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:28 pm to Hot Carl
before A Rod came back, half of NY wanted Girardi fired. A Rod's presence has helped everyone. It would be amazing if he could win MVP in the World Series.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:28 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
A-Rod would get my vote if I had one.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:30 pm to BayouBengals03
AROD should be 3rd in MVP voting..on his team.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:30 pm to BayouBengals03
If Mauer doesn't win something is seriously wrong. The twins without Mauer would be a disaster
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:30 pm to pnut53088
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AROD should be 3rd in MVP voting..on his team.
I always talk shite about ARod but that's nonsense.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:31 pm to usc6158
New York area thinks Jetuh and Tex will divide vote and Mauer will win. Who can quibble with Mauer?
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:35 pm to usc6158
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If Mauer doesn't win something is seriously wrong. The twins without Mauer would be a disaster
Mauer will win it. I understand Carl's assessment though. The Yankees won like 75% of their games with A-Rod in the lineup, and with out him the Yanks were 3rd or 4th in the AL East.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:36 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
If A-Rod is not on the Yankees this year, do they make the playoffs? I say there is a 20% chance.
If Maurer is not on the Twins this year, do they make the playoffs? I say there is a 0% chance.
Does that not define Mauer as "Most Valuable"?
If Maurer is not on the Twins this year, do they make the playoffs? I say there is a 0% chance.
Does that not define Mauer as "Most Valuable"?
This post was edited on 10/8/09 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:38 pm to Hot Carl
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I think it could be argued that Nick Swisher was a more important FA pickup than Texiera
Swisher has quickly become one of my favorite Yankees. He doesn't hit for average but he knows how to work the count and simply get on base. He's been great for the clubhouse and just has a fantastic personality. He even made Jimmy Fallon seem interesting on Late Night a couple of weeks ago.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:42 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Can't argue with Mauer--he should win-- but Jeter shouldn't get a 1st place vote. Yes, he had a very good batting average, but he only walked 72 times in over 700 plate appearances, so his OB% was only .406. Which is still good, just not great for someone who hit .334. And those are really the only 2 categories he can hang his hat on. His being a candidate is really imho the media wanting to give him a Lifetime Achievement Award since he hasn't won one. He had a nice season, but it's not in the same ballpark as Mauer's. And I've already said I don't think he's even the MVP of his own team, so...
This post was edited on 10/8/09 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:43 pm to BBATiger
Nobody in NY has a problem with Mauer. For a catcher his stats are amazing. and he needs like a nicy guy too
Posted on 10/8/09 at 12:54 pm to Hot Carl
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But his value cannot be measured by mere numbers.
Whenever this is used as a central point in an argument for any award, it almost always means that the person should not be MVP.
A-Rod's mere presence made a 200 million dollar lineup better? Maybe the Murderer's Row of hitters simply started playing up to their actual ability.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 1:00 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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For a catcher his stats are amazing.
Any baseball player his stats are amazing.
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Specifically this part
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He's the first American Leaguer since George Brett (1980) to lead the league in batting (.364), on-base percentage (.442) and slugging (.586) in the same season. The last person to finish with numbers at least this high in all three categories? Ted Williams. And before him? Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio and Earl Averill. Thats it.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 1:04 pm to emmanuellewis
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Whenever this is used as a central point in an argument for any award, it almost always means that the person should not be MVP.
Thank you. That's a really really good point.
So many of these discussions start falling into cliches and hypotheticals (clubhouse influence, stand up guy) and so on. It's nonsense. These awards can't be based on that simply because if you're not in the clubhouse all season long, you can't say what that player is like.
The numbers will tell you the story, at least when it comes to awards. Now if I'm evaluating a player it's a much different story.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 1:44 pm to LfcSU3520
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So many of these discussions start falling into cliches and hypotheticals (clubhouse influence, stand up guy) and so on. It's nonsense. These awards can't be based on that simply because if you're not in the clubhouse all season long, you can't say what that player is like.
I understand all this, which is why I think Mauer will and should win the MVP. I am not advocating ARod win it, just saying that I think he's literally the MVP imo.
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The numbers will tell you the story
Again, I don't think he should win it, but aren't the Yankees records with and without him numbers?
Posted on 10/8/09 at 2:02 pm to Hot Carl
Jeter has been the 2nd most valuable player on the Yankees this year.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 2:04 pm to Hot Carl
The Twins survived without Morneau and made the playoffs. I wonder if they could have done the same if Mauer was out, but Morneau was still healthy.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 2:10 pm to barry
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For a catcher his stats are amazing.
Any baseball player his stats are amazing.
Yes but to his point, its much more difficult for a catcher to put up his numbers all year.
Carl- Disagree on ARod/ Absolutely agree on Swisher. I made the statement early in the year that I would argue he was every bit as vital a pick up as Tex
Posted on 10/8/09 at 2:19 pm to Hot Carl
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Again, I don't think he should win it, but aren't the Yankees records with and without him numbers?
Its a number that is dependent on the performance of 24 other players. The Yankees playing bad before ARod came back has literally nothing to do with him (same for whatever the Twins performance before Mauer came back). Should either be punished if the rest of the team was playing well, then went into a slump while ARod/Mauer came back to hit .380/.450/.600?
The one problem I have with Mauer as MVP (which I think he should win) is that he missed so many games. Its obviously not his fault, but I think when someone misses a chunk of games (where they can do nothing for their team), they have to have an unbelievable season to overcome that (Mauer has). Missing games should never be used as a reason why someone SHOULD win the MVP award (as in the example of the Yankees playing poorly without ARod).
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