re: Best programs of the past 5 years

Consider I said this:

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Actually, it would be close.

I think those records are close enough that the championship carries enough weight to push it over the top. Banners fly forever. They are really, really valuable when evaluating a program. The gap might be too large in records, but it is within the range at which I'd trade the record for the title. Consistency is very valuable, but not as valuable as titles.

To put another way, I'm pretty sure everyone would rank the 58-7 program with a title over the 60-5 program without one. the question is: when does consistency start to be more valuable than the title?

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And you replied with this:

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If we're using BCS titles as a measure, then I think that average final ranking should be a metric, as it combines both consistency and titles. Plus, if you toss in variance, you REALLY see who's consistent.

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You can see how I was confused. You still focused on this fabled consistency and even argued to further minimize titles and instead look at average final ranking. Sure, you sort of admit it’s a factor, but you have made it pretty clear you don’t think it is a large factor.

On this, we disagree. While consistency matters, as does final rank and won-loss record, nothing matters more than titles (and I include conference titles). I clearly value titles far more than you do (as evident in the argument that I would rank a the 15 loss program as almost equal and you think that view is, and I quote “fricking retarded”).