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SI to request Coaches poll ballots per FOI act
Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:51 pm
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No matter the jurisdiction, laws exist to help us get a look at the information the American Football Coaches Association doesn't want us to see. When it decided to make the post-conference championship game USA Today Coaches Poll ballots secret beginning in the 2010 season, the AFCA ignored one glaring fact: Most of the coaches in the Football Bowl Subdivision work for public universities. That means everything those coaches do is subject to the open records law in their particular state. That includes each week's coaches poll ballot.
So beginning Tuesday, SI.com will file records requests with the employer of each of the 51 public school coaches who vote in the 2009 poll. If the schools comply with the law, we should get a look at every ballot. Legal action may be required if schools refuse to comply, but if a recent case involving Florida State and the NCAA is any indication, judges likely will support the people asking that highly paid public employees be held accountable for their actions. Every ballot we receive will be published.
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Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:53 pm to MJRuffalo
Good. I want every poll to be public. Of course I'd rather the coaches not vote at all
Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:56 pm to The Easter Bunny
I agree Bunny. Every time some coaches balloting becomes public it's spawned at least a few top stories on ESPN. Imagine if they were all public.
Too many assistants fill out these things without coaches input. It's quite stupid to use these to determine anything resembling a champion.
Too many assistants fill out these things without coaches input. It's quite stupid to use these to determine anything resembling a champion.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:56 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Of course I'd rather the coaches not vote at all
Correct. How many REALLY DO?????/
Posted on 8/25/09 at 5:59 pm to MJRuffalo
good first step. Next step is to rename it the assistant SID's poll.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:01 pm to dukke v
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Correct. How many REALLY DO?????/
It's really not their fault persay. It's a terribly flawed idea. No head coach has enough time to become sufficiently knowledgeable on every team in the land when they have to become so knowledgeable about the teams on their schedule. You can't expect a head coach to watch more than game highlights on ESPN.
This post was edited on 8/25/09 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:04 pm to GerryDiNardo
CFN article on the Legends Poll
This was posted on CFN earlier in the week.
I would be more in favor of something like this, or a panel made up of people who just love cfb and would watch tons of games
This was posted on CFN earlier in the week.
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Back in 2005, Executive Director Andy Curtin and partner Pete Wolek hatched the Master Coaches Survey, now the Legends Poll, with an eye toward assembling college football’s version of a star chamber. The concept was to attract a handful of the sport’s living legends, whose sole purpose would be to breakdown Saturday’s games to a level that no active coach could possibly match. Curtin put together a staff of former head coaches, methodically covering every major conference and corner of the map. There’s John Cooper and, before his passing, Bo Schembechler, in the Midwest. Gene Stallings, Vince Dooley, and Pat Dye have the South covered. Representing the East are Don Nehlen and Dick MacPherson. Don James, Frank Kush, Terry Donahue, and Robinson have the West covered. Frank Broyles and R.C. Slocum lend their experience, with a Southwest bent. In total, 17 experts, most of whom are Hall-of-Famers, form a unique panel preparing to voice its collective opinion for a fifth year in-a-row.
I would be more in favor of something like this, or a panel made up of people who just love cfb and would watch tons of games
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:20 pm to The Easter Bunny
Good job SI.
The Coaches Poll is terrible in and of itself, but while we are stuck with it there should be accountability.
The Coaches Poll is terrible in and of itself, but while we are stuck with it there should be accountability.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:25 pm to LSUtigahs28
The Harris Poll isn't any better. At least the AP voters probably watch some games. Most of the Harris Poll voters admitted they couldn't name the starting QB at Utah last year.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:31 pm to The Easter Bunny
Most of the AP voters I feel are blighted by "regional thinking" even if they aren't a homer for a team I think their location often unduly influences their thought process while filling out a ballot.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:33 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Most of the AP voters I feel are blighted by "regional thinking" even if they aren't a homer for a team I think their location often unduly influences their thought process while filling out a ballot.
100% agree. Just look at the AP votes in 2003
That's why I like computer polls
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:35 pm to The Easter Bunny
Computer polls or a panel of experts is I think the best way to do things.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:40 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Computer polls or a panel of experts is I think the best way to do things.
agreed.
i value the computers much more than coaches or writers pandering to subscription bases. An independent panel of humans, well paid so as to not have to rely on other related intetests for income, paired with the computers would be ideal.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 6:40 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Most of the AP voters I feel are blighted by "regional thinking" even if they aren't a homer for a team I think their location often unduly influences their thought process while filling out a ballot.
at least they're made public
also, they spread out where the voters are from to try to minimize this
It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the coaches poll where there is monetary incetive to rate teams in your conference higher
Posted on 8/25/09 at 7:00 pm to usc6158
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at least they're made public
also, they spread out where the voters are from to try to minimize this
It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the coaches poll where there is monetary incetive to rate teams in your conference higher
Very very true however its the effective choice between having a serial killer or a person with extreme anger issues living next door to you.
One might be a bit safer, but I wouldn't want either one given another option.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 7:00 pm to usc6158
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It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the coaches poll where there is monetary incetive to rate teams in your conference higher
Totally agree. The AP is probably the "best" of the three polls, but with the way I look at the coaches poll that isn't saying much
A panel of "experts" coupled with computer polls seems the best way to do this.
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