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Casablanca
Posted on 8/12/09 at 7:31 am
Posted on 8/12/09 at 7:31 am
Can someone explain to me why this is considered so awesome? I really want to know. Is it because Bogart is the freakin' man in this movie? If so, then that is OK with me but the rest of it was just kinda whatever.
Now, I'm about 40 minutes into On The Waterfront and that seems to be way way better.
Now, I'm about 40 minutes into On The Waterfront and that seems to be way way better.
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 8:16 am to Teddy Ruxpin
On The Waterfront is soooooooooooooo predictable.
Casablanca = overrated.
Citizen Kane, while I can see why it was great for it's time, is nothing special nowadays.
Casablanca = overrated.
Citizen Kane, while I can see why it was great for it's time, is nothing special nowadays.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 8:42 am to TheeGamecock
Casablanca is funny, it has terrific characters, and interesting set up, and a wonderful delivery. Also, since it was released during the war, the patriotic moment of the denizens of Rick’s singing the French national anthem in defiance of the Nazis carried a little more weight.
Honestly, it’s the old movie I always show to my friends who say they don’t like old movies. Not once has anyone said they didn’t enjoy it. I’m surprised you didn’t like it. Claude Rains is the man in that movie.
“I am shocked – SHOCKED! – to discover gambling is going on in this establishment!”
“Here are your winnings, sir.”
“Thank you very much.”
Honestly, it’s the old movie I always show to my friends who say they don’t like old movies. Not once has anyone said they didn’t enjoy it. I’m surprised you didn’t like it. Claude Rains is the man in that movie.
“I am shocked – SHOCKED! – to discover gambling is going on in this establishment!”
“Here are your winnings, sir.”
“Thank you very much.”
Posted on 8/12/09 at 8:44 am to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
Is it because Bogart is the freakin' man
Bogi is the man, plus he sticks it to the Nazi's.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:05 am to Baloo
I liked it, just didn't see it being as important as it is made out to be. The gambling scene was funny.
I figured the French anthem thing would have been a giant deal back then, and tried to appreciate for that instead of looking at it from modern times if that makes any sense.
ETA: I guess I must up it a little bit for Bogi shooting that Nazi puke at the end.
I guess really its the "love story" component. Maybe its the way courtship was done back then, I don't know, felt like something may be missing. But I guess it is kinda a big deal he forces her on that plane. Maybe I need a rewatch.
Oh, and I was under the impression the "Here's looking at you, kid" line would be said once, not 4 times during the movie.
I figured the French anthem thing would have been a giant deal back then, and tried to appreciate for that instead of looking at it from modern times if that makes any sense.
ETA: I guess I must up it a little bit for Bogi shooting that Nazi puke at the end.
I guess really its the "love story" component. Maybe its the way courtship was done back then, I don't know, felt like something may be missing. But I guess it is kinda a big deal he forces her on that plane. Maybe I need a rewatch.
Oh, and I was under the impression the "Here's looking at you, kid" line would be said once, not 4 times during the movie.
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 9:09 am
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:19 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Casablaca has a lot going for it and may be one of the most quotable movies in history. Along with the patriotic theme, at a time when Hollywood was still patriotic, it boasts an outstanding supporting cast including Claude Rains, Peter Lorre, Sydney Greenstreet Dooley Wilson, and Paul Henreid. Add a memorable song in As time goes by and a witty script and you have an endearing film.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:32 am to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
I liked it, just didn't see it being as important as it is made out to be.
Nobody said it was "important", just that it's very entertaining.
The dialogue is brilliantly witty -- and it's actual dialogue, exchanges, repartee.
Bogart established a new kind of hero: jaded, world-weary, but still with his own code and doing the right thing in the end.
Claude Rains is absolute perfection as the amoral police chief.
And Ingrid Bergman is HOT
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:37 am to Kafka
Citizen Kane>>>>>>>>>>>>>Casablanca
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:42 am to Babalugats
quote:
Citizen Kane>>>>>>>>>>>>>Casablanca
Citizen Kane is brilliant,
I'd rather watch Casablanca.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:44 am to Kafka
I gave em both the same 10/10. Both great movies IMO.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:57 am to Kafka
quote:
Nobody said it was "important", just that it's very entertaining.
Exactly. Its importance is more historical than anything. In terms of importance to the art of film, no it's not like Kane or Seven Samurai, etc.
But it is a very solid movie for all of the reasons said above. It's well-made, well acted, and mixes the right elements for a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
quote:
Citizen Kane is brilliant,
I'd rather watch Casablanca.
This.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 11:10 am to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
But I guess it is kinda a big deal he forces her on that plane.
Yeah. It's kind of a big deal, what with all the sacrifice of the love of his life and possibly his life as well for the good of the world.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 11:22 am to Teddy Ruxpin
From the IMDb quote page:
Captain Renault: I've often speculated why you don't return to America. Did you abscond with the church funds? Run off with a senator's wife? I like to think you killed a man. It's the Romantic in me.
Rick: It was a combination of all three.
Captain Renault: Carl, see that Major Strasser gets a good table, one close to the ladies.
Carl: I have already given him the best, knowing he is German and would take it anyway.
Major Strasser: You give him credit for too much cleverness. My impression was that he's just another blundering American.
Captain Renault: We mustn't underestimate "American blundering". I was with them when they "blundered" into Berlin in 1918.
Captain Renault: We are very honored tonight, Rick. Major Strasser is one of the reasons the Third Reich enjoys the reputation it has today.
Major Heinrich Strasser: You repeat *Third* Reich as though you expected there to be others!
Captain Renault: Well, personally, Major, I will take what comes.
Rick: Last night we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I've done a lot of it since then, and it all adds up to one thing: you're getting on that plane with Victor where you belong.
Ilsa: But, Richard, no, I... I...
Rick: Now, you've got to listen to me! You have any idea what you'd have to look forward to if you stayed here? Nine chances out of ten, we'd both wind up in a concentration camp. Isn't that true, Louie?
Captain Renault: I'm afraid Major Strasser would insist.
Ilsa: You're saying this only to make me go.
Rick: I'm saying it because it's true. Inside of us, we both know you belong with Victor. You're part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. If that plane leaves the ground and you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Ilsa: But what about us?
Rick: We'll always have Paris. We didn't have, we, we lost it until you came to Casablanca. We got it back last night.
Ilsa: When I said I would never leave you.
Rick: And you never will. But I've got a job to do, too. Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Now, now... Here's looking at you kid.
Captain Renault: I've often speculated why you don't return to America. Did you abscond with the church funds? Run off with a senator's wife? I like to think you killed a man. It's the Romantic in me.
Rick: It was a combination of all three.
Captain Renault: Carl, see that Major Strasser gets a good table, one close to the ladies.
Carl: I have already given him the best, knowing he is German and would take it anyway.
Major Strasser: You give him credit for too much cleverness. My impression was that he's just another blundering American.
Captain Renault: We mustn't underestimate "American blundering". I was with them when they "blundered" into Berlin in 1918.
Captain Renault: We are very honored tonight, Rick. Major Strasser is one of the reasons the Third Reich enjoys the reputation it has today.
Major Heinrich Strasser: You repeat *Third* Reich as though you expected there to be others!
Captain Renault: Well, personally, Major, I will take what comes.
Rick: Last night we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I've done a lot of it since then, and it all adds up to one thing: you're getting on that plane with Victor where you belong.
Ilsa: But, Richard, no, I... I...
Rick: Now, you've got to listen to me! You have any idea what you'd have to look forward to if you stayed here? Nine chances out of ten, we'd both wind up in a concentration camp. Isn't that true, Louie?
Captain Renault: I'm afraid Major Strasser would insist.
Ilsa: You're saying this only to make me go.
Rick: I'm saying it because it's true. Inside of us, we both know you belong with Victor. You're part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. If that plane leaves the ground and you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Ilsa: But what about us?
Rick: We'll always have Paris. We didn't have, we, we lost it until you came to Casablanca. We got it back last night.
Ilsa: When I said I would never leave you.
Rick: And you never will. But I've got a job to do, too. Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Now, now... Here's looking at you kid.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:04 pm to Kafka
That last exchange is just fricking brilliant.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:18 pm to tigermojo
speaking of 'the last exchange'
didnt this movie coin the now cliche line "round up the usual suspects."
i.e. the 90s classic may have a different title without this movie...heh
didnt this movie coin the now cliche line "round up the usual suspects."
i.e. the 90s classic may have a different title without this movie...heh
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:20 pm to Leauxgan
quote:
didnt this movie coin the now cliche line "round up the usual suspects."
Yup
"Here's looking at you, kid",
"Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
"We'll always have Paris."
"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:22 pm to constant cough
quote:
"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."
My favorite quote from the film.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:26 pm to constant cough
The dialogue in this movie is as crisp and witty as any ever written for the screen. Its simply brilliant.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 12:49 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
Can someone explain to me why this is considered so awesome?
It has something for everybody: romance for the girls, action and intrigue for the guys.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:22 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:I've always thought about that. It almost seems like it was "pushed" on the audience for marketing reasons. But I'm probably just imagining things.
I was under the impression the "Here's looking at you, kid" line would be said once, not 4 times during the movie.
I've always teetered on the edge of calling this movie overrated. And I really do enjoy older movies. This one just seemed so perfectly crafted, it was almost too perfect. Which doesn't make any sense, I know. Even though I can appreciate what a great cast and dialogue this movie has, it still just has never really given me that big cathartic moment that I like from "great" movies. The ending is pretty remarkable though.
I learned a long time ago not to look at older movies like a movie, but more like a play on a stage. Because for the most part, that is what they looked like up until the 60's or so. They are all filmed the same way, the actors over act like in theater, just like watching a play.
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