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Losing mid-week baseball games to "lesser" teams...

Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:19 pm
Posted by TIGERFANZZ
THE Death Valley
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:19 pm
SUCKS but does anyone here remember a guy by the name of Skip Bertman who used to coach the baseball team? If you do, you probably also remember losing mid-week games to lesser opponents, I remember getting swept by ulala &/or tulane but by the middle of June, all of that was forgotten. You want to know why? Here it is: When you are a big time program like LSU (ut,usc,cal state, stanford, etc),you realize that at the end of the year, no one remembers that you lost a mid-week game to Nicholls, Southern, ulala,etc, why? Because the season for big time programs is played out on the weekends, in tournaments, & in Omaha. Those other teams, their seasons are played out on Wed nights againt teams like LSU. Nobody is that impressed with a sunbelt, northern league or whatever championship or a 3 game sweep of the University of Alabama Little Stone. Automatic bids aside, beating the LSU's, ut's,cal state's, etc is what gets those teams noticed by selection commitees.

Having said THAT, do I think we should lay down & forget about mid-week games? Hell no but as Coach Bertman used to say, mid-week games are live practice & are all about getting your team (pitchers,freshman, & those that will be called on when it is down to brass tacks) ready for weekends & tournaments. People used to panic because his teams lost mid-week games but nobody seemed to remember those games come May & June-in Omaha. There is no excuse for a team playing uninspired baseball, as we've seen on many of the weeknight games BUT....apparently it isn't affecting the way the team approaches SEC weekends-2 of 3 ain't bad every weekend in the SEC. So let's just swallow that pill that is lackluster performances in mid-week games, & focus on the REAL prize. As long as we keep pulling off 2 out of 3's on the weekend, I say congrats to Nicholls!

G E A U X T I G E R S!!!
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29001 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:22 pm to
Can you start another thread with awesome insight? What are your thoughts on RS vs. JL vs. JJ
Posted by holdthttiger
Member since Aug 2008
850 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:26 pm to
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What are your thoughts on RS vs. JL vs. JJ
oh lord...had to ruin a good thing
Posted by 12Buck
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
592 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:28 pm to
agree 1000%
Posted by holdthttiger
Member since Aug 2008
850 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:30 pm to
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TIGERFANZZ
There is no room for clear thinking people who make sense on the rant

seriously great post. Some people should stick to football
Posted by Colonel Ticonderoga
surrounded by idiots
Member since Aug 2006
3636 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:31 pm to
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Can you start another thread with awesome insight? What are your thoughts on RS vs. JL vs. JJ


Posted by TIGERFANZZ
THE Death Valley
Member since Nov 2007
4060 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:35 pm to
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Can you start another thread with awesome insight? What are your thoughts on RS vs. JL vs. JJ


And some people should just stick to being idiots. Thanks holdthttiger


G E A U X T I G E R S!!!
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29001 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 12:37 pm to
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And some people should just stick to being idiots. Thanks holdthttiger


like the 50 other people that have started the same damn thread since last night?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:08 pm to
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mid-week games are live practice & are all about getting your team (pitchers,freshman, & those that will be called on when it is down to brass tacks) ready for weekends & tournaments.


Looking at this year's baseball schedule, I count 39 weekend games and 17 midweek games. We are 17-7 through the first 24 weekend games (10-5 vs. SEC and 7-2 vs. OOC), and 10-3 through the first 13 midweek games. Given that the NCAA selection committee treats all games the same and gives no greater weight to conference games than to non-conference games, it would seem that, for purposes of securing the seed we want, midweek games are just as important as any others. And I don't think any team can afford to blow off 17 games in a 56-game schedule.

I agree with tweaking the lineup, trying out untested pitchers and getting ready for the late and postseason, but I've always wondered why anyone has ever thought that 2 games played on Tuesday and Wednesday were less important than 2 games played on Friday and Saturday. Early season games, regardless of whether they are on weekends or not, are the time to experiment. By the end of April at the latest, you would hope to have things in place for a strong finishing run to secure a national seed.

And contrary to popular belief, Skip had a very good record in midweek games over the years. So does Mainieri this year. I wasn't at the game last night, and only heard about the result this morning, but if it was the result of the team treating the game as meaningless, then I think that's a mistake. Losing this game is no less damaging than losing an SEC game, and may be more damaging because of Nicholls' low RPI.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:14 pm to
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but I've always wondered why anyone has ever thought that 2 games played on Tuesday and Wednesday were less important than 2 games played on Friday and Saturday.

Probably has something to do with winning 5 NCs with that formula.


Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:25 pm to
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Probably has something to do with winning 5 NCs with that formula


Who did that? Skip Bertman had a very good record in midweek games throughout his career, just like Mainieri does this year. Obviously, both of them consider midweek games important enough to try to win.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:35 pm to
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Who did that? Skip Bertman had a very good record in midweek games throughout his career, just like Mainieri does this year. Obviously, both of them consider midweek games important enough to try to win.


Of course we have a great midweek record, but it's not because they place equal importance on winning them. We simply have more talent.

If these midweek games were equally important as the weekend games, we wouldn't experiment with different lineups, rest starters, pitch guys who can't help us this year, etc. Midweek games have a different purpose and we occasionally lose one we shouldn't.

Sure, they want to win midweek games, but not at all cost like we do on weekends.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11374 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 2:18 pm to
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Given that the NCAA selection committee treats all games the same and gives no greater weight to conference games than to non-conference games it would seem that, for purposes of securing the seed we want, midweek games are just as important as any others.


This is the most inaccurate statement I have seen written in a very long time. Do you really believe that the committee views a win over Georgia equal to a win over UNO? Or a loss to Georgia as equal to a loss to Nicholls?

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Losing this game is no less damaging than losing an SEC game, and may be more damaging because of Nicholls' low RPI.


This is accurate. And it contradicts what you stated earlier.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 4:43 pm to
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If these midweek games were equally important as the weekend games, we wouldn't experiment with different lineups, rest starters, pitch guys who can't help us this year, etc. Midweek games have a different purpose and we occasionally lose one we shouldn't.

Sure, they want to win midweek games, but not at all cost like we do on weekends.


I think it's more a case of being able to get away with more experimenting in midweek games because, in general, the conference opponents are better than the midweek ones. If it were reversed and we played in a crappy conference full of weak teams but were playing tough midweek games every week, the policy would probably be the opposite.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/16/09 at 4:53 pm to
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This is the most inaccurate statement I have seen written in a very long time.


Then you are very fortunate to have never seen an inaccurate statement. The NCAA committee absolutely does consider every game equally, which is exactly why you see teams get into the tournament ahead of teams from their own conference who finished ahead of them in the standings, a la Mississippi State a couple of years ago.

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Do you really believe that the committee views a win over Georgia equal to a win over UNO?


Of course not, because Georgia is a better team. But it has nothing to do with that game being given more weight because it's a conference game or is being played on a weekend.

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Or a loss to Georgia as equal to a loss to Nicholls?


No, a loss to Nicholls is much worse because Nicholls is a much worse team.

All games count the same weight. Of course, the quality of the opponent and where you play is a factor, so that a home loss to #209 Nicholls is much worse than a road loss to #1 Georgia, and a road win over #1 Georgia is much better than a home win over #300+ Grambling.

But the fact that they're conference games or weekend games or nonconference games or midweek games makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

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Losing this game is no less damaging than losing an SEC game, and may be more damaging because of Nicholls' low RPI.




This is accurate. And it contradicts what you stated earlier.


No, it doesn't. It means that the midweek game counted just as much, and the fact that it was a home loss to a crappy team hurts us more than if it had been a loss on the road to a good team, regardless of what day of the week the games were played on. This directly contradicts the theory that midweek games don't matter (or don't matter as much as weekend games), which is what I was disagreeing with.
Posted by HarvardontheBayou
Beautiful Bayou Lafourche
Member since Apr 2009
2 posts
Posted on 4/17/09 at 2:23 pm to
Yes, we Nicholls baseball fans are glad to be over the mid-week "distraction" of playing the previously ranked #1 LSU too. Our team needs to focus on more important games like the conference weekend series vs Sam Houston. I am glad that our coach chose not to throw our best pitchers for a non-conference opponent, instead, throwing a bunch of different pitchers so we can have them all available for the important weekend game.
You see.....an SEC school is supposed to beat a Southland Confernce school all of the time. Admittedly, SEC schools are able to attract a higher quality of athlete, mostly based on school program history and facilities. SEC schools schedule "lesser teams" like SLC teams in order to "buy a win", kinda like a whore. They pay us for our services. Instead, this time, the prostitute left with a big paycheck, and left the "John" with a case of the clap. Tell me TIGERFANZZ....does it burn now when you pee?
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