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Should they regionalize the NCAA Tournament a little more?
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:09 pm
Connecticut in the West, UCLA in the East? I never really liked this too much. I have always been in favor of minimizing travel for teams so that interest in the early-round games is optimal. Even the regional semifinals and final in Phoenix lacked asses in the seats, making one wonder why they needed to book a football stadium in the first place--were that many Connecticut fans going to make the trip to Glendale? Nope.
So I got obsessed with it and decided to play make-believe and regionalize it more. I completely regionalized all the sites:
West: Boise, Portland, Glendale.
Midwest: Kansas City, Minneapolis, Indianapolis.
East: Dayton, Philadelphia, Boston.
South: Greensboro, Miami, Memphis.
And then I seeded the four regions with teams that actually are from those regions, keeping all teams within any given state in the same region, and seeding them based on RPI (that's why you see the atrocity that is Utah as a #1 seed
). First-round sites all favor the top four seeds.
Here's what the first round looks like:
WEST
Boise
1 Utah vs. 16 Northridge
8 Texas A&M vs. 9 Southern California
Portland
4 Gonzaga vs. 13 Stephen F. Austin
5 Brigham Young vs. 12 Arizona
Boise
3 Utah State vs. 14 North Dakota State
6 Arizona State vs. 11 Texas
Portland
2 Washington vs. 15 Portland State
7 UCLA vs. 10 California
MIDWEST
Minneapolis
1 Louisville vs. 16 Morehead State
8 Illinois vs. 9 Butler
Kansas City
4 Missouri vs. 13 Michigan
5 Kansas vs. 12 Western Kentucky
Minneapolis
3 Michigan State vs. 14 Wisconsin
6 Oklahoma State vs. 11 Minnesota
Kansas City
2 Oklahoma vs. 15 Northern Iowa
7 Purdue vs. 10 Marquette
EAST
Dayton
16 Cornell vs. 17 Morgan State
Dayton
1 Pittsburgh vs.
8 Temple vs. 9 Ohio State
Dayton
4 Villanova vs. 13 Binghamton
5 Xavier vs. 12 Boston College
Philadelphia
3 Syracuse vs. 14 Akron
6 Siena vs. 11 Maryland
Philadelphia
2 Connecticut vs. 15 Robert Morris
7 Dayton vs. 10 Cleveland State
SOUTH
Greensboro
1 Duke vs. 16 Alabama State
8 Clemson vs. 9 Louisiana State
Miami
4 Florida State vs. 13 East Tennessee State
5 Wake Forest vs. 12 American
Miami
3 Memphis vs. 14 Radford
6 West Virginia vs. 11 Mississippi State
Greensboro
2 North Carolina vs. 15 Chattanooga
7 Tennessee vs. 10 Virginia Commonwealth
With top seeds being so close to home, there shouldn't be too many empty seats this way. Then the regional semis should look like this (based on who went further this tournament; tie goes to higher seed):
WEST
Boise
1 Utah vs. 9 Southern California
3 Utah State vs. 6 Arizona State
Portland
4 Gonzaga vs. 12 Arizona
2 Washington vs. 7 UCLA
MIDWEST
Minneapolis
1 Louisville vs. 8 Illinois
3 Michigan State vs. 6 Oklahoma State
Kansas City
4 Missouri vs. 5 Kansas
2 Oklahoma vs. 7 Purdue
EAST
Dayton
1 Pittsburgh vs. 8 Temple
4 Villanova vs. 5 Xavier
Philadelphia
3 Syracuse vs. 6 Siena
2 Connecticut vs. 7 Dayton
SOUTH
Greensboro
1 Duke vs. 9 Louisiana State
7 North Carolina vs. 7 Tennessee
Miami
4 Florida State vs. 5 Wake Forest
3 Memphis vs. 6 West Virginia
Sweet 16...
WEST
Glendale
9 Southern California vs. 12 Arizona
2 Washington vs. 3 Utah State
MIDWEST
Indianapolis
1 Louisville vs. 4 Missouri
2 Oklahoma vs. 3 Michigan State
EAST
Boston
1 Pittsburgh vs. 4 Villanova
2 Connecticut vs. 3 Syracuse
SOUTH
Memphis
1 Duke vs 4 Florida State
2 North Carolina vs. 3 Memphis
Elite 8...
Glendale: 12 Arizona vs. 2 Washington
Indianapolis: 1 Louisville vs. 3 Michigan State
Boston: 4 Villanova vs. 2 Connecticut
Memphis: 1 Duke vs. 2 North Carolina
Final Four
Washington vs. Michigan State
Connecticut vs. North Carolina
So I got obsessed with it and decided to play make-believe and regionalize it more. I completely regionalized all the sites:
West: Boise, Portland, Glendale.
Midwest: Kansas City, Minneapolis, Indianapolis.
East: Dayton, Philadelphia, Boston.
South: Greensboro, Miami, Memphis.
And then I seeded the four regions with teams that actually are from those regions, keeping all teams within any given state in the same region, and seeding them based on RPI (that's why you see the atrocity that is Utah as a #1 seed
Here's what the first round looks like:
WEST
Boise
1 Utah vs. 16 Northridge
8 Texas A&M vs. 9 Southern California
Portland
4 Gonzaga vs. 13 Stephen F. Austin
5 Brigham Young vs. 12 Arizona
Boise
3 Utah State vs. 14 North Dakota State
6 Arizona State vs. 11 Texas
Portland
2 Washington vs. 15 Portland State
7 UCLA vs. 10 California
MIDWEST
Minneapolis
1 Louisville vs. 16 Morehead State
8 Illinois vs. 9 Butler
Kansas City
4 Missouri vs. 13 Michigan
5 Kansas vs. 12 Western Kentucky
Minneapolis
3 Michigan State vs. 14 Wisconsin
6 Oklahoma State vs. 11 Minnesota
Kansas City
2 Oklahoma vs. 15 Northern Iowa
7 Purdue vs. 10 Marquette
EAST
Dayton
16 Cornell vs. 17 Morgan State
Dayton
1 Pittsburgh vs.
8 Temple vs. 9 Ohio State
Dayton
4 Villanova vs. 13 Binghamton
5 Xavier vs. 12 Boston College
Philadelphia
3 Syracuse vs. 14 Akron
6 Siena vs. 11 Maryland
Philadelphia
2 Connecticut vs. 15 Robert Morris
7 Dayton vs. 10 Cleveland State
SOUTH
Greensboro
1 Duke vs. 16 Alabama State
8 Clemson vs. 9 Louisiana State
Miami
4 Florida State vs. 13 East Tennessee State
5 Wake Forest vs. 12 American
Miami
3 Memphis vs. 14 Radford
6 West Virginia vs. 11 Mississippi State
Greensboro
2 North Carolina vs. 15 Chattanooga
7 Tennessee vs. 10 Virginia Commonwealth
With top seeds being so close to home, there shouldn't be too many empty seats this way. Then the regional semis should look like this (based on who went further this tournament; tie goes to higher seed):
WEST
Boise
1 Utah vs. 9 Southern California
3 Utah State vs. 6 Arizona State
Portland
4 Gonzaga vs. 12 Arizona
2 Washington vs. 7 UCLA
MIDWEST
Minneapolis
1 Louisville vs. 8 Illinois
3 Michigan State vs. 6 Oklahoma State
Kansas City
4 Missouri vs. 5 Kansas
2 Oklahoma vs. 7 Purdue
EAST
Dayton
1 Pittsburgh vs. 8 Temple
4 Villanova vs. 5 Xavier
Philadelphia
3 Syracuse vs. 6 Siena
2 Connecticut vs. 7 Dayton
SOUTH
Greensboro
1 Duke vs. 9 Louisiana State
7 North Carolina vs. 7 Tennessee
Miami
4 Florida State vs. 5 Wake Forest
3 Memphis vs. 6 West Virginia
Sweet 16...
WEST
Glendale
9 Southern California vs. 12 Arizona
2 Washington vs. 3 Utah State
MIDWEST
Indianapolis
1 Louisville vs. 4 Missouri
2 Oklahoma vs. 3 Michigan State
EAST
Boston
1 Pittsburgh vs. 4 Villanova
2 Connecticut vs. 3 Syracuse
SOUTH
Memphis
1 Duke vs 4 Florida State
2 North Carolina vs. 3 Memphis
Elite 8...
Glendale: 12 Arizona vs. 2 Washington
Indianapolis: 1 Louisville vs. 3 Michigan State
Boston: 4 Villanova vs. 2 Connecticut
Memphis: 1 Duke vs. 2 North Carolina
Final Four
Washington vs. Michigan State
Connecticut vs. North Carolina
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:16 pm to xiv
This thread is worse than usual.
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:38 pm to BayouBengals03
Where the frick is LSU?
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:38 pm to xiv
arizona should be in the final four, not washington
Posted on 3/29/09 at 10:39 pm to lsubeagle
quote:
Where the frick is LSU?
quote:
8 Clemson vs. 9 Louisiana State
Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:38 pm to xiv
Which groups sell more tickets in each regional?
WEST
Glendale
A) Southern California, Arizona, Washington, Utah State
B) Connecticut, Purdue, Missouri, Memphis
Answer: A
MIDWEST
Indianapolis
A) Louisville, Missouri, Oklahoma, Michigan State
B) Louisville, Arizona, Kansas, Michigan State
Answer: Push
EAST
Boston
A) Pittsburgh, Villanova, Connecticut, Syracuse
B) Pittsburgh, Xavier, Villanova, Duke
Answer: Push
SOUTH
Memphis
A) Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Memphis
B) North Carolina, Oklahoma, Gonzaga, Syracuse
Answer: A
I think making it more truly regional improves the setup.
WEST
Glendale
A) Southern California, Arizona, Washington, Utah State
B) Connecticut, Purdue, Missouri, Memphis
Answer: A
MIDWEST
Indianapolis
A) Louisville, Missouri, Oklahoma, Michigan State
B) Louisville, Arizona, Kansas, Michigan State
Answer: Push
EAST
Boston
A) Pittsburgh, Villanova, Connecticut, Syracuse
B) Pittsburgh, Xavier, Villanova, Duke
Answer: Push
SOUTH
Memphis
A) Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Memphis
B) North Carolina, Oklahoma, Gonzaga, Syracuse
Answer: A
I think making it more truly regional improves the setup.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:37 pm to shel311
You don't like the idea of VCU going to Miami to beat Tennessee?
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:41 pm to xiv
you have way too much time on your hands. what really sucks for the west coast people this year is that the most western team left is Mich State.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 3:50 pm to xiv
quote:
You don't like the idea of VCU going to Miami to beat Tennessee?
I don't like the idea of every team not remotely having an equally balanced(or close to it) 16 team regional.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 4:49 pm to xiv
quote:
xiv
again, shouldnt arizona be in the final four not washington?
Posted on 3/31/09 at 11:30 am to Kige Ramsey
I totally agree. The crowds at most of these games are empty. The NCAA and schools are making so much money from TV and Suckass TV coverage that they can be stupid and get away with it.
Posted on 3/31/09 at 11:33 am to papachacha
i think they should set it up like baseball.
Top 16 teams get home court first 2 rounds.
Top 4 teams get home court the next 2 rounds.
Final 4 is in a city
Top 16 teams get home court first 2 rounds.
Top 4 teams get home court the next 2 rounds.
Final 4 is in a city
Posted on 3/31/09 at 11:42 am to xiv
quote:
Connecticut in the West, UCLA in the East?
your four number one seeds were UL, UCONN, Pitt, and UNC
someone had to go to midwest and west
Posted on 3/31/09 at 11:49 am to xiv
they did that until the mid 1970's. The Mideast and sometimes East would really be packed with good teams while the MW and especially West would have UCLA and 6 or 7 dogs.
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